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Originally posted by zolvon zolvon wrote:

Vast have launched several hostile operations on Love And Freedom,  including diplo attacks and occupation of a mine on sovereign ground. 
As yet no explanation has been given so it is assumed that they are attempting to start a war.

Will keep you all updated with more info as it comes in.



Finally have forum access so now I can make an update.

Everyone has seen the list.

I gave Zolvon a chance to kick all those on the list and then help me with burning all of the towns which he had kept safe and invited those who caused conflicts with others.
He accepted this and he had kicked the accounts. His alliance has razed one or two towns and then stopped. 

All of my attacks ceased on Laugh.

I had began razing war machine, the doctor and several other smaller accounts, not within Laugh. During this time, I have recieved a wave of troops from Login5 attacking me on the mine to which Zolvon says that their members can choose to do what they want. 

I had asked them why no further sieges had happened, then he decided to call me childish and he cannot talk to me anymore as I lie. 

I am not sure where the lies come from but as Zolvon refuses to aid in the removal of these multis, alongside his want to consistently insult me and allow his members to attack me,  I have mailed their alliance that they have the chance to leave or be burned starting with Zolvon.

Laughable is coming to an end and I am not harming anyone but their leader unless they choose to defend him.


(Regardless of dev action, I am working on noob ringing any and all of the accounts on the list, I hope others join in even more with this)



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One of the great things about Illy is that people with differing play styles can all play together.
There are, town builders, money makers, crafters, hunters, collectors, warmongers, peacemakers, tourney lovers, puzzle solvers, faction fanatics and many combinations of all of these.

I started an alliance 14 years ago as a social experiment. I wanted to see what would happen if you gave a bunch of strangers in an alliance complete freedom to act as they please and the only rule was 
love. Every member is a super user and all alliance powers are turned on for everyone.

You see, I have a theory that if you treat adults like children then they will start acting like children and that is what our societies do when we are constantly passing new laws, at a ever increasing rate. We are effectively treating adults like children more and more and that is reflected in the rapidly decreasing moral state of the world.

All in all we have had an alliance with very few problems, we had one war in the early days that was started out of boredom and curiosity and a couple of members that were trouble makers. Pretty good for 14 years at it.

Now, we get accused of protecting multi accounter's (without evidence), threatened and attacked by the rule loving warmongers who claim the multi accounter's are a threat of some sort to them. I wonder how they are a threat to anyone? We have had some in our alliance with full alliance powers turned on and they never did anything. In fact that is a trait of the multi accounter, they never do anything, just build a few (maybe heaps) of harmless towns.

What is certain is that the greatest threat to anyone in this game is the warmongers. They are the only group who attempt to stop others playing in their own style for their own reasons. The problem they have is that after spending years building massive armies they then have to find targets to relieve their tremendous gold-burn. Maybe they are just bullies and cowards and need to find soft targets instead of other warmongers? I don't know.

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Originally posted by zolvon zolvon wrote:


Now, we get accused of protecting multi accounter's (without evidence),
 

See bazoons list

Originally posted by zolvon zolvon wrote:

threatened and attacked by the rule loving warmongers who claim the multi accounter's are a threat of some sort to them. I wonder how they are a threat to anyone? We have had some in our alliance with full alliance powers turned on and they never did anything. In fact that is a trait of the multi accounter, they never do anything, just build a few (maybe heaps) of harmless towns.


So... forgive me if I'm misreading this, but are you saying there is no evidence of multiaccounting, and in that very same paragraph acknowledging that there were multis in Laugh? LOL

As for them being harmless and never harming anyone: not directly, no. 
Multiaccounts generally do not attack players. They do not diplo players. They stick to themselves, stay quiet and they peacefully harvest their herbs and minerals, gather their tax, and chill out while slowly growing and expanding across the map for years on end while avoiding all confrontation or anything that would raise suspicion... all 76 of them. Or at least those are the proven ones. 

Do you not see the problem? When there are 450+ cities of illegitimate accounts, all collecting tax, all occupying map space, all taking herb and mineral spots, all gathering, crafting and collecting for one single player, do you not see how that is an unfair advantage??? Is it so hard to understand? 

Frankly, after this post I think Thorfinn is being beyond generous. You actually seem to be trying to justify multiaccounting, Zolvon. 



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Originally posted by Remy Remy wrote:

Originally posted by zolvon zolvon wrote:


Now, we get accused of protecting multi accounter's (without evidence),
 

See bazoons list

Originally posted by zolvon zolvon wrote:

threatened and attacked by the rule loving warmongers who claim the multi accounter's are a threat of some sort to them. I wonder how they are a threat to anyone? We have had some in our alliance with full alliance powers turned on and they never did anything. In fact that is a trait of the multi accounter, they never do anything, just build a few (maybe heaps) of harmless towns.


So... forgive me if I'm misreading this, but are you saying there is no evidence of multiaccounting, and in that very same paragraph acknowledging that there were multis in Laugh? LOL

As for them being harmless and never harming anyone: not directly, no. 
Multiaccounts generally do not attack players. They do not diplo players. They stick to themselves, stay quiet and they peacefully harvest their herbs and minerals, gather their tax, and chill out while slowly growing and expanding across the map for years on end while avoiding all confrontation or anything that would raise suspicion... all 76 of them. Or at least those are the proven ones. 

Do you not see the problem? When there are 450+ cities of illegitimate accounts, all collecting tax, all occupying map space, all taking herb and mineral spots, all gathering, crafting and collecting for one single player, do you not see how that is an unfair advantage??? Is it so hard to understand? 

Frankly, after this post I think Thorfinn is being beyond generous. You actually seem to be trying to justify multiaccounting, Zolvon. 


"rule loving warmongers who claim the multi accounter's are a threat of some sort to them"

> refuses to aid in the removal of players that they themselves had been housing and now defending them by saying that they are less of a problem than the way I play the game

I see Laugh as a threat to the game with a leader openly admitting that. 
Admitting to a peace deal, refusing to comit to it and then going on some philosophical rant about the way you treat people is a bit of a strange one. You get whatever comes to you. 






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Yes Remy, you misread it and I forgive you.

I was saying that ive seen no evidence of Laugh protecting any multi.

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Originally posted by zolvon zolvon wrote:

Yes Remy, you misread it and I forgive you.

I was saying that ive seen no evidence of Laugh protecting any multi.


I am more of a problem so you refuse to siege the multi accounts which are proven?


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Also Remy

They are not a problem to me because of my reasons for playing, anybody can decide anybody is a problem to them if they choose to but don't try and make your problem my problem.

So to answer your question... yes, I can see your problem.

Truth is, when we became aware that others had a problem with said accounts and were presented with reasonable evidence of who they were, we at Laugh removed those accounts and have even sieged a few of them.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bzn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 2024 at 02:00
here is the map of these accounts circa about 1 month ago, before people started razing them:


here is the map as of yesterday:

in a week or two, the community came together and took out about 100 of these cities, nice. you can really see boli making progress in pawa
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