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    Posted: 01 Oct 2023 at 11:38
Hello Illyriad,

an additional idea for smaller players.

The problem:

At the moment additional population required for getting 9 and 10 cities is huge. This is discouraging for smaller players to go over 9-10 cities - which is in my opinion not good for the game.

The solution:
The idea here is to flatten the curve and have everything back to normal at 30 cities.
The population requirement is more linear and there are no big jumps in the beginning.

Some comparisons:
  • Up to 6 cities everything is the same
  • After that it is easier to reach more cities.
  • At the current population of 9 cities (130k pop) you would be able to get 10 cities
  • At the current population of 10 cities (233k pop) you would be able to get 12 cities
  • At the current population of 15 cities (393k pop) you would be able to get 16 cities
  • The biggest "advantage" is at around 10 cities - after that it slows down
The data:
Note: The values are just an idea. They are not set in stone and there might be some improvements.

TownTotalAdditionalAlternative
Alternative total
2450450450450
32000155015502000
45000300030005000
5100005000500010000
620000100001000020000
740000200001600036000
875000350002300059000
9130000550002900088000
1023355010355033550121550
112635503000039000160550
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153935503400042500326050
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205785503900045000546050
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226595504100046000637550
237015504200046500684050
247445504300047000731050
257885504400047500778550
268335504500048000826550
278795504600048500875050
289265504700049000924050
299745504800049500973550
30102355049000500001023550
31107355050000500001073550
32112455051000510001124550
33117655052000520001176550
34122955053000530001229550
35128355054000540001283550

Any feedback is welcome!

Best regards,
Thirion/Ellania


Edited by Thirion - 01 Oct 2023 at 11:38
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Players with 9 cities are not "small" players. It's true that there are a few players with vastly more cities, but it takes considerable time and effort (or prestige) to get to 9 cities. This is another solution in search of a problem.
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Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

It's true that there are a few players with vastly more cities

Some stats:
Cities or moreAccounts
406
30~40
20~150
15~270
11~500
10~600
9~970

There are quite a few accounts at around 10 cities or more.

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

but it takes considerable time and effort (or prestige) to get to 9 cities.


And it would still be a lot of time and effort to get to 9 cities. But instead of climbing a mountain it would be a hill. Current players at that population would still be rewarded for their work by being able to get more cities.

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

This is another solution in search of a problem.


So having an artificial (difficulty) wall relatively early on is not a problem? A wall that discourages players to build more?

Difficulty should not be front-loaded but instead be at the end. Which currently is the case - with the exception of the population requirement for 9 and 10 cities.



Edited by Thirion - 01 Oct 2023 at 12:10
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The map would have to be expanded considerably to make this work imo
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Originally posted by Thirion Thirion wrote:

















There are quite a few accounts at around 10 cities or more.



demonstrates the following point:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

This is another solution in search of a problem.


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Edited by Ordo - 01 Oct 2023 at 12:13
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Some people managed to overcome the problem. Yes.

That does not mean that the problem does not exist or that the current situation is good for the game.

I know that the 9 and 10 city population requirement discourages quite a few players. Maybe not you. But that does not mean again that the problem does not exist.
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I disagree completely. It should be hard to get more cities and it should not be made easier. Making things easier would ruin the challenge and fun of building cities and gaining new cities. I don't want an easy game or a click fest. I want challenges and opportunities to strategize. 

Getting the 10th city also comes with a valuable discovery. We should have to work hard to get it and not have it just handed to us. It also comes with a sense of accomplishment, and I am so looking forward to feeling like I accomplished something when I get to 10. It feels good because it is challenging and we had to work for it. 

Moving cities should also be hard. Exodus and/or teleporting needs to be a difficult choice with consequences. This a game of hard choices and paying for those choices. And it's something that makes Illy an awesome game. I don't want that to change. 

What you see as a problem, I see as an opportunity to play the game. 
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i agree with Thirion about lowering the 10 but also with Freyja that it must still br competitive and have a taste of succes when done.

also i do not think Thirion grafick represent Good the dificalty of the 10 city ...its much harder compered to others from pop prespective ...cause the difocalty at that lvl is mostly from new towns build up and not the old ones .... i have make diferent ecxel represent the dificatly by my point of view :

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so my proposal is lower the 10 dificalty ...but put more midle lower dificalties all the way of the city builds ...
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Look man, we get it. You and one other person got to 60. Lowering this pop jump from 9-10 isn't going to retain or promote growth, the game is built on RTS. Not P2W. That jump from 9-10 is there for a reason. It's game balancing. For those of us who went higher than 10. That's our own pockets talking. For those that don't spend money. Let them have that massive accomplishment. And before you get going on the whole "I bought prestige from the market and did it for free." Not everyone has that option or sponsors to do that. Your situation is not everybody's situation. Let them have their accomplishments.

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disagree 
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