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As far as dog piles go - we are not attacking Tuf *with* DLord. We are not attacking Tuf *because* DLord is attacking. It's more that we are attacking *in spite of* the existing conflict.

Belegar has a good intel system. He contacted me (very) shortly before the war dec to ask me to wait, to not start anything until they were done. Given my personal circumstances out of game, I did not feel that I could delay.

It doesn't change anything functionally, but it was not my wish to pile on. My time lines are simply not that flexible. 
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Gwen and Dante Val had an incident over harvesting. Gwen apparently expressed her viewpoints aggressively. I don't know what was said. I don't know that this is the reason, but Dante Val has been uncharacteristically silent in AC for days since. I was not approached directly by Tuf over the incident.

Curm and Dsasa's sitter had an altercation. Curm acted aggressively - my understanding is that he had identified an inactive and sold the intel somehow, then after accepting the money, a Dsasa siege landed a few days later, and he cleared the siege from the town. Given the history, Aga threatened to newb ring Curm over it, assuming it was an intentional provocation. It may have been, or it could have been the rum. Curm and I share a love of the drink. I was not approached directly by Tuf about the incident.

There was another recent incident with one of our allies and ajqtrz. I am not up on the details, but had dozens of IGMs forwarded to me about it, and a request to be prepared should the issue escalate. I suppose this could be considered escalation by me.

Reports from various sources indicated that Aga was aware of and in support of Dsasa's attack on Yarr. Aga has denied it. I was not provided chat logs as evidence, so no reason to favor one report over another, except that I had 3 different sources saying they had the intel from (a) Tuf member(s).

Various chatlogs and IGM threads have been forwarded to me, some with anti-LC plots and plans that didn't mention Yarr specifically, and others with disparaging remarks made about Yarr and about former Death. Every time, based on the portions sent to me, it looked like Aga was ready to go to war at the drop of a hat.

I haven't the time or inclination to dig them all up. I think my reputation will be sufficient for most people that I am not going to war for no reason. 

At the end of the day, it provides a shadow hanging over the alliance. My free time has already been reduced, and will be reduced further once I start my new position, and it seemed incumbent on me to deal with this now, rather than risking the escalation coming after we had burned troops in Koda's tourney, or after my play time reduced to a point where I was unable to deal with any in game issues in a timely fashion.

But it's a general attitude that Tuf (as embodied by Aga) and the general membership within Yarr both seem eager to resolve disputes in a military fashion. So far Aga has calmed down after the fact, and so far my membership accepts my word when I say issues are resolved. I can't count on either continuing forever.

I have put a lot of effort into trying to dissolve the lines between our merged alliances. Yarr, Hansa, Shu-Han, The Librarians, and Death - I want everyone to just be Pirates and not internally separate themselves based on prior alliances. A limited number of people within the alliance are less able to let the past go. Quite a number of others, based on reactions as much as statements made, don't seem able to see the difference.

We had an incident early on where someone interacted with me based on who Hansa was - and I responded by daring them to go to war. 

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My alliance knows to roll with the punches, AJ is still learning ...   FYI maybe you guys can inform your members you declared war also so they ll stop messaging us and asking why we have attacks otw.
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AJ, you're obviously free to believe that I'm way off-base in my opinions. We'll let the gaming community decide based on what they've witnessed over the past 7 months in the SIN v. Unbow war, as well as wars past where smaller alliances such as ~NC~ have managed to successfully fight larger alliances. Again, I cannot imagine that your leader Agalloch would agree with what you're saying, given that he is indeed a student of Illy warfare and knows that superior sov, strategy, tactical superiority, and execution are all potentially equalizers. 

Agalloch knows what he is doing -- why don't you give him the benefit of the doubt?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote GM Rikoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2016 at 17:54
Originally posted by Curmudgeon Curmudgeon wrote:

Personally I can't see any trolling.

That's because I am doing my job. :)


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Curmudgeon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2016 at 17:26
Personally I can't see any trolling.

AJ is welcome to ask Agalloch to label him as a non-combatant and I'm sure (though I do not speak for Yarr! leadership), that such a request would be considered.

Ohh, wait, Aga already said there would be no non-combatants in this war and forgot to tell his alliance that.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GM Rikoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2016 at 17:19
Stay on topic and do not troll this thread. I will simply remove the posts and if it continues, ban the person who continues to do both.

Carry on.


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Originally posted by ajqtrz ajqtrz wrote:

I invite you to join us and fight for a free Illy where wars have to be founded on just reasons.
So this war is unjust and unjustified.  I find nothing.  At least dlords had that flimsy excuse, as patently lame as it is.

Nothing has to be founded on "just reasons". It's a game. 
And that would be a just enough reason for those who want play the game . You are just adding the drama.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gragnog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2016 at 17:13
AJ, you seem keen to moan and do the numbers. Shark and VIC outnumbered SIN in all aspects and yet got totally crushed. Again I urge you to stop whining, suck it up and either fight or make a run for Elgea. Looking for a reason why people attack you in a war game is the same as standing on the beach screaming at the waves to stop destroying your sand castle you built at the low tide mark.
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Jejune.  Thanks for pointing one of the ways TUF is superior at this time.  So we have more sov per city.  Let's do some math: 175 cities with 10 squares of sov on average = 1750 sov squares.  395 cities with 5 squares of sov on average = 1925.  I think I said, "ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL?"  If you are going to start using math at least do the math.  Furthermore, I'm quite certain you know that you can ADD sov.  You can add squares and raise their levels.  As an experienced player you also know that if you have 395 cities you can ADD more sov than an alliance with 175 cities.  Are you trying to say Yarr won't add sov?  I thought not.  So, starting out roughly equal and having a lot more cities to which to add sov means that, in the long run, the bigger alliance will end up with more sov.  Right?  Sometimes I wonder if people just pick numbers to re-enforce their point of view and pretend things just aren't what they are.  Yarr is a lot lager than TUF.  Yarr has more cities and more sov.  ALL THINGS ARE NOT EQUAL.  And pretending otherwise to justify the war is just being disingenuous. 

I do recognize that your post did not intend to take sides...but by justifying the war as even a mildly "fair fight" you do take sides.  What you ought to be doing is finding out the exact and explicit justification Yarr is using.  You will find they have a more flimsy excuse than dLords.  In other words, they have next to no reason to do this.  The justice of a war is not in the power of the sides but in the strength of their arguments for making war.  Yarr has no reasons to give and thus, gives none that any rational payer would recognize.  In fact, one of their players said to me they "feel" justified.  Whoopee for their "feelings," now give me their reasons.  And if you can find no reason for the aggression, I invite you to join us and fight for a free Illy where wars have to be founded on just reasons.

So this war is unjust and unjustified.  I keep challenging anybody to give any real reason for the attacks and so far, other than the claim that Pawa is also a Yarr claimed land, I find nothing.  Not even a snippet of AC where somebody makes some off hand joke about taking some mine from Yarr.  At least dlords had that flimsy excuse, as patently lame as it is.

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