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Curmudgeon
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Posted: 04 May 2016 at 16:37 |
Well I was going to stay out of it, but this is nonsense. Kratos led Death into an idiot war against TUF while both Duran (then The Honey Badger) and I were known to be away from the game. Aga was very gracious in letting Death off the hook with a white peace on our return. We openly acknowledged that at the time and continue to do so. Edited by Curmudgeon - 04 May 2016 at 16:40 |
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Gragnog
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Posted: 04 May 2016 at 16:34 |
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Good stuff YARR. If you claim it and can keep it, it is yours. AJ, you need to stop whining, leave the military alliance you are not suited for, and move your cities to Elgea where your gameplay style is better suited. The rest of TuF seem to have stopped moaning and hopefully are getting ready for a good fight.
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ajqtrz
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Posted: 04 May 2016 at 16:26 |
With my small enclave in Almenly and the rest of Almenly already Yarr dominated it would appear the 6 attacks you've already launched against my cities are attempting that already. This just reflects the "aggressive game play" strategy of some alliances and thus proves that they have no intention of leaving anybody alone until they have taken over the entire playground and everybody is subservient to them. So much for a free Illy. I do think you know the word for that type of behavior on the playground so I'll not repeat it here. AJ |
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Urian
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Posted: 04 May 2016 at 15:46 |
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Maybe we should claim Almenly too, while we are at it.
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Urian
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Posted: 04 May 2016 at 15:39 |
Opinions are like armpits, everyone has a couple and they stink.
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Gragnog
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Posted: 04 May 2016 at 14:57 |
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Actually AJ, best you learn from lessons. Classic example is Shark and VIC. Once number 1 and 4 respectively are what now? They went up against an upstart alliance just featuring in the top 20. Its all about generals and how you fight. Like I said earlier, stop whining and looking for excuses. You are based in YARR land and if your alliance wants to remain there you will have to fight. Other option is just move. Ball is in your court.
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Jejune
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Posted: 04 May 2016 at 14:56 |
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ajqtrz, I think you should take a deep breath, count to 10, and go back and read my post, since I think you missed the crux of my argument. And my statement was neither pro- nor anti-YARR or TUF, for that matter.
If you look at what I said, I was making the argument that, in my opinion and experience in fighting wars, sovereignty plays a key role and can lead to a small alliance defeating a larger opponent. You said, "all things being equal," but all things are not equal, and the fact is, in spite of being outnumbered in terms of towns and players, TUF has a better sov-to-town ratio than YARR. YARR only has 5.7 squares claimed per town, versus TUF, which has 10.16 claimed -- nearly double. There are a lot of small, sov-less towns in YARR. I'm not putting YARR down by saying this -- both alliances are still growing alliances. This is one metric that is an indicator of war-readiness. If you need an example of where a smaller alliance has competed well against a larger alliance, you need only look to SIN's current war, where we successfully fought against the #1 and #4 alliances in the game (according to land) when we were originally ranked #14. In this case, both SHARK and VIC had superior sov, player counts, and towns, however, I would suspect that much of their sov was food-based in order to support large cities. SIN's sov is entirely troop-focused. So, while our opponents had large standing armies, we were probably able to our produce them.
I don't assume it -- I know it to be true. In addition to having superior troop sov, developing winning war strategies at the strategic and tactical levels, and being able to execute them, are major equalizing factors that can allow a smaller alliance like TUF to compete against what at face value appears to be a much more powerful adversary. Our alliance has assembled some of the best war minds in the game (of which I do not claim to be one), and that is a decided advantage. Moreover, every one in SIN executes our war plans superbly well, and by out-executing our opponents, we're able to win. As a now-seasoned warrior, I'd like to think that your leader Agalloch himself would agree with this -- just look at his cities and sov, he clearly is already a player who understands this. |
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ajqtrz
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Posted: 04 May 2016 at 14:21 |
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Jejune, you forget that, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, the bigger alliance wins. Are you trying to suggest that Yarr isn't as well run an organization as TUF, and that by simply "out general-ing" them they can be easily defeated? Do you really think a big alliance got that way be being stupid and not having the ability to fight well? Which of the top 10 alliances would you put in the category of being inexperienced or incapable of defending themselves well? Or attacking well? The problem is you assume that there are superior techniques of warfare in Illy that somehow the big alliances have missed and that we, a small one, can use against them. Do send me an IGM with a list of those secret techniques as I could use them now.
As for whining, it's not whining to ask for the reasons for the attacks. It's the first step on the road to a diplomatic resolution. So what, exactly, has TUF DONE to provoke this attack? One player says we are in "Yarr's" territory. The last I read it was concluded that the territory is NOT Yarr's and that they have no formal claim to it. Of course there are some bitter ex-DEATH member who may disagree, but when did DEATH take over Yarr? Another memo I didn't receive, I guess. In my opinion it's that some of the Yarr members (a small minority no doubt) got their little feelings hurt a few months ago and don't have the stomach to re-form their own alliance and stand on their own two feet. So they hide in the folds of a bigger alliance and provoke them to attack without cause or need. Some people are just too good at playing others for a fool and getting them to do the work they are too scared and unable to do themselves. AJ Edited by ajqtrz - 04 May 2016 at 14:22 |
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Jejune
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Posted: 04 May 2016 at 13:02 |
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I second what Grag said. It isn't impossible for smaller alliances like TUF to punch above their weight class in Illyriad, because such a big part of warfare is sovereignty (and being able to replenish troop loss quickly). Many big alliances have glimmering legendary cities and sov 5, but it's all about food and big population. If you look at the map, TUF seems like they have clusters of cities with good sov, and I think that for them it's a big equalizer. If they can execute on good battle planning, then it can be a good fight. If not, then it's going to be a mess.
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Urian
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Posted: 04 May 2016 at 12:57 |
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The evidence is TUF towns in YARR! territory.
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