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Points: 979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 00:31
Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

Originally posted by SunStorm SunStorm wrote:

I actually agree with Tordenkaffen and think more alliances (that chose a central hub) should claim it.  However, I feel it is outrageous to claim a land where nobody else can settle while that alliance settles wherever they wish....  (>.<)

(No, you cant sit in that chair...it's mine - but in the meantime I am going to go sit in this chair over here)

I disagree. It is perfectly fine for someone to claim the chair and sit elsewhere. And if someone tries to take their claimed squre, both parties will settle the matter with a fight. Unless one of the parties was makign outrageous boast without any intent to back it up with military might.
Please be more selective when quoting and responding to quotes.  I assume (maybe) that you agree with the first half - that it is good for game play to claim a location - but are only disagreeing with the second part?  Thank you for your opinion, truly and honestly, since this diversity is what makes the game (and life in general) worth while. 

Now I must disagree with you.  Why should anyone claim more than they need?  Why should I reserve the right to one location but then go all over the map and not actually concentrate myself in that location.  It is excessive.  And then to make any hint of military use if someone encroaches upon the reserved space...  *sigh*  I have no intention of moving to that location on the map and I agree with them completely on players contacting before shipping over settlers - but to truly reserve a location as solely one alliances domain, then the alliance should remain within that location.  I know you, and probably others disagree...so I will not say any more on the matter.

Originally posted by Silverlake Silverlake wrote:

I just want to bring up H? because no one else did.
This made me LoL  (^_^)
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Hi Sunstorm,
I wanted to chime in on some of the points you make.

DARK being outside of our area:
- We have been and will continue to actively move our members to the area we specified.  
- New members joining DARK are found spots within the area we outlined, and are highly encouraged to move (I do not recall the last member that did NOT move)

Area of the Claim:
- if you look at the coordinates, you will see that the claim is MUCH smaller than you may think, and we are filling it up and out rather nicely.

Hints of military action:
- Still the veiled threats are mentioned in GC tonight.  The persun making the statements is rather clear that they would like to Piss in my Wheaties.  I do not want any of my Comrades to have to eat their Wheaties with someone's piss in it - do you?  Which is the worse issue here - some members who have openly attacked others in the past and are now trying to engage another alliance in fighting?  Or an alliance stating upfront that we want people to know 'What We Stand For' and 'What We Won't Stand For' ?

Surely you can disagree with me, and I am ok with that.  I don't need to convince you that I am right or wrong.  I just seek to inform.

Thanks for your time.

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I'm online a lot of the time and I haven't seen these veiled threats.  Who is making them?
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Points: 982 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 01:52
And what's with the extended urine metaphor?  I think we could do without that.
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Originally posted by Sisren Sisren wrote:

We have been and will continue to actively move our members to the area we specified.
See, this was the only issue that I thought needed clearing up.  If DARK moves within their defined boarder and refrains from any claims over land outside this area - if players in the area are encouraged to move outside this area (given due time if they are willing to move) and unknowing players that move in are given the option to leave peacefully or engage in war - then I don't see any problem. 

However, making a claim on a land and moving your members to this location forfeits claims elsewhere: 

Say (for example) another alliance expands their border in the middle of the map and they strongly desire DARK members (who are currently established there) to move out of the area.  Would DARK go to war to defend a member who has been requested to leave - possibly coerced/forced with diplomats and other such actions?  If that alliance is larger, you might feel threatened and forced - if they are smaller, you might feel arrogant and retaliate.  

If (for another example) a DARK member moves into the territory of another alliance and that alliance threatens military action if your member remains there (as you most likely would were another alliance to move into your claimed territory), would your alliance go to war to defend your member that moved outside this territory?  If the other alliance is larger, you might abandon your team-mate to the wrath of another alliance - if the other alliance is smaller, you might disregard their grievances.

Setting out boarders becomes problematic.  I worked on coordinating such claims when in the Armoniosa alliances - and it does become very challenging.  The only advise I can offer is that the claim on land will only truly 100% work if all the alliance members stay within the area claimed.  Otherwise, all kinda of problems arise. 

Thank you for listening and I am sorry if I have wasted any valuable time.

Final Disclaimers:  I support your claim until someone gets hurt or until the flying monkeys come and take me away.  Also, I in no way speak for or represent anyone other than myself.  (I think)
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Points: 1452 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 18:16
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I'm online a lot of the time and I haven't seen these veiled threats.  Who is making them?
Oh the understatement......... ;-)
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@ Sun, 

My point was really that it is a sandbox. Do what you want to do in the sandbox, just don't get upset when other people do the same. 
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I don't yet have a personal position on the matter, but I feel very interesting the territorial claim evolution this game is heading. Dunno if it is for good or not, but is quite interesting.
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Originally posted by JimJams JimJams wrote:

I don't yet have a personal position on the matter, but I feel very interesting the territorial claim evolution this game is heading. Dunno if it is for good or not, but is quite interesting.

Land disputes and treaties recognizing claim to resources and real estate are the purpose of all diplomatic and military endeavors. The Devs have even mentioned their desire to give good reason for territorial disputes by adding in additional resources. 

The Illyriad community has shown itself to be a funny monster in regard to real estate claims. Most forum members seem to laugh off territorial claims and publicized treaties, while at the same time honoring unspoken ones. All of this can be evident in the post requesting land claims to be posted (http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/land-claims_topic3149.html) . 
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Points: 1118 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Mar 2012 at 18:03
Hm... "within 100 squares" that's 0.78% of the map, and a very ambitious claim. I'm not sure quite how others would respond to assertions like this, but it would be interesting to see what happens.
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