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Llyorn Of Jaensch 
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 Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 18:37 |
 Createure wrote:
Indeed even the leaders of H? are no infallable. |
I am no infallable. PS: We at Harmless (?) are trying terribly hard at the moment to not look smug regards our so recent thread posting requesting dialogue before encroaching upon ones space in order to prevent, ahem, incident. Hur.
Edited by Llyorn Of Jaensch - 28 Nov 2011 at 18:46
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"ouch...best of luck."
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scaramouche
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Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 17:15 |
normally i wouldnt involve myself in the polotics, but I am from an old school generation, I beieve in sportsmanship, fair play and respect but if these traits are not returned then all you make are enemies, something I'd rather not be, obviously certain people think otherwise.
The issue as to the lvl of he food square in question is irrelevant, i couldnt give two monkeys if it was only a lvl 1 square, its all about principles.
WE members know RES and their leaderships narrow minded little alliance ( their small and new players excluded) are doing this for one reason only, we know his intentions are not honourable.
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Myrin
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Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 11:35 |
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That Dolmen is 6 squares from Ratboy and only one square from Grunt. You wouldn't plant a city that close to someone so why would you claim sovereignty that close? I wouldn't be happy about it either.
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Createure
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Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 10:52 |
I bet there would have been no trouble if the spot was 12 or 14 farm bonus. 
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Mr Damage
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Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 06:17 |
Amroth wrote:
This entire episode has been idiotic from the beginning. The sovereign spot is a 13 food spot so this is what the excitement is about. Ratboy claimed the spot. As I see it. it is between the two cities. Gruntfuddock had ample opportunity to claim the spot. he has more then enough population there. If he delayed and the spot was claimed, he can blame none but himself. As to the attacks made by Selwyn on a pop 200 player in Res. I find this a most despicable action, and Selwyn has been informed that any further attacks from him to tiny players will most assuredly see his cites removed from Illy. As to Shadow1....If Selwyn is admitted back into WE, after RMY has kicked him and disavowed his actions...Eternal Champions will view this as a backing of his nefarious activities and we will be forced to take action against said player and any who support him. As to the affair in general...It is disappointing that we have received these reports from leadership and representatives from both guilds. These messages charge each various leader with personal slanders against the other. With name calling and insults offered over the global chat and in personal correspondence to other players. This seems to me a sad indication of the mentality at work here. I would remind the respective leaders that they represent their alliances and as leaders are expected to behave in a respectful and responsible manner. Ridicules when 8yr old kids on a soccer field can be more mature then the adults I play a game with. Lastly...I have informed Selwyn that any further attacks to small players will see his cities razed from illy. Now get this...anyone found to be attacking small players who have not directly attacked, offered belligerence or in some way acted to ingurey of the larger player will have all their cities razed from Illy by the Eternal Champions. Yep that's right. This is what we do.
We champion the meek and the unmartialed. So play nice and get your acts together....Leave the smaller players in peace when ya wanna sword rattle...otherwise Eternal Champions will come and collect whatever you may have and distribute it as we see fit. Consider yourselves warned. This is the only talk any will receive from me on this issue. Any further actions directed at small players will bring a swift and total response from Eternal Champions.
As to who owns the spot.....first come, first served...This should have been worked out peacefully between the two players who are close to the spot. Knock it off and be good. And maybe I want the spot....13 farmspots....gesssuz christ!
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That's claiming all the credit for other people's work AA, there's more than one Cop shop in Illy.
On a serious note, sad to see Selwyn depart the game.
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HonoredMule
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Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 04:17 |
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Just a minor note: the "return on investment" assessment only applies if you're long-term plans do not support claiming all squares within 2.24 tiles distance and the high-value square outside that radius.
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Gilthoniel
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Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 02:07 |
Createure wrote:
It is a good point fluffy.
But I would assume in both the cases that you pointed out that the longer distance sov claims were made though incorrectly assessing the cost/benefit potential of sov claims around their cities and not for any other strategic reason.
Indeed even the leaders of H? are no infallable.
In the situation this thread pertains to I would have been tempted to approach the situation by carefully explaining to the 'long sov' owner that he could claim 3-4 squares closer to his city for the same upkeep and generated an overall greater food sov bonus (and greater flexibility for production bonuses further down the road).
In this case I suspect that the offended party responded the the 'long claim' in a rather less logical manner.
Having said that this is only the briefest of assessments on my part - I do not know the full details - perhaps the 'long claim' was indeed initiated as a provocative move - I suspect my initial guess holds more truth though.
I guess it has been said many times before - but good communication and careful explainations should always be the first moves to avoid causing offense and potentially escalating a situtation.
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Thank you for this post because I see now that the root of this issue involves ignorance of the mechanics of sovereignty on the part more than a few people involved in this sad affair. Now I see the importance of understanding the games mechanics before rushing headlong into a situation only to find that your own ignorance has enflamed and exaggerated matters beyond control
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Createure
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Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 01:42 |
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It is a good point fluffy.
But I would assume in both the cases that you pointed out that the longer distance sov claims were made though incorrectly assessing the cost/benefit potential of sov claims around their cities and not for any other strategic reason.
Indeed even the leaders of H? are no infallable.
In the situation this thread pertains to I would have been tempted to approach the situation by carefully explaining to the 'long sov' owner that he could claim 3-4 squares closer to his city for the same upkeep and generated an overall greater food sov bonus (and greater flexibility for production bonuses further down the road).
In this case I suspect that the offended party responded the the 'long claim' in a rather less logical manner.
Having said that this is only the briefest of assessments on my part - I do not know the full details - perhaps the 'long claim' was indeed initiated as a provocative move - I suspect my initial guess holds more truth though.
I guess it has been said many times before - but good communication and careful explainations should always be the first moves to avoid causing offense and potentially escalating a situtation.
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HATHALDIR
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Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 01:27 |
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Sorry to see Selwyn leave the game, there can be no winner now!
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There's worse blokes than me!!
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fluffy
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Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 00:07 |
Anjire wrote:
lorre wrote:
EternalFire wrote:
How close?
Isn't it common courtesy to assume if a city is next to high sov, as im assuming is what it was, its as good as theirs?
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this is just to answer the question of eternalfire
-131|-432 sovsquare -129|-432 WE city -137|-431 Res city
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My only comment on this is that the game mechanics can be used to show that the claiming of a 13 food sov square over 6 away is a poor choice. A 5 food sov square up to 2.24 away would net a greater return on investment.
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Not all people claim sov based on investment return:
or even KP - the lovely leader of H? :)
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