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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2010 at 06:47

 

Originally posted by Becblue Becblue wrote:

 

[17:52] -Yearick- Exactly, and if Kome needs some resources that bad, I have some I can spare.

[17:52] -Yearick-I'd rather wait a few days for a building binge if it means keeping 0-0 quiet while we grow
[17:53] -Teiru-Yep, I would gladly donate resources to him too just like you say. We need some more time.
[17:53] -Yearick-Its just unfortunate that he's on the front line of it
[17:54] -Teiru-Indeed

 


I love how you post bits from our chat to make it angle like We were the ones planning an attack.

Why dont you post what was said before that or is your spy just wanting to portrait us as hostile? Well, I'll tell you instead.

I was criticizing our own member, Kome for being so sensitive to caravan bumping which is also the reason that led to the SirTwitchy/Kome incident in the first place. Which is why Yearick stated that if he needed resources that he would send him some instead in order to AVOID conflicts with Prisoners. Also this is why Yearick stating that it is unfortunate that he is in the front line of it beacuse he is the one closest to you with such attitude. Me saying We need more time gets a different meaning now, doesnt it? More time to solve and avoid further conflicts with our neighbors.

And wanting to grow is almost every alliance goal, but apparently its now equal to planning a war. 

As for the rest, I’m sure Cyan/Yearick can fill in with better information than I can.

Anyways, Bec I'm glad you decided to give your side of the story no matter how much we might disagree with each other.


EDIT: This also tells me how early you have started to gather intelligence on us while we still did not even think the slightest thought that things were that serious. If we were planning a war with you then I'm sure you could get a more proper "chat screenshot" of us stating that we had plans on going to war with Prisioners.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2010 at 06:13
Wait, who declared caravans harvesting on sovereign tiles must be destroyed? The chat log does not show the names. Either way, that concept is silly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2010 at 06:05
 Hello,The position of Prisoners of The Society is this is happening because of a few reasons. First starting off with Cyan mass diplo attacking mine and Valars alliance and giving me no other reason then he suspected my alliance of attacking 1 of his members when i asked who he couldn't even provide detalis and had never contacted me about problems. Even though i apologized nicely even though i did nothing wrong and asked him for a NAP twice he ignored it.Whilst a NAP was eventually offered we still had nothing but problems diplos,caravans&spells. I have found him to be unpolite and a bigheaded bully (it's amazing now he is under pressure he is trying to be nice,lol) I also found out about him doing the same sorts of things to Calaquendi. I went on to learn alot more about them too via a friend in their alliance even the fact that they were planning to attack my alliance here is just a little bit from their chat-[17:52] -Yearick- Exactly, and if Kome needs some resources that bad, I have some I can spare.
[17:52] -Yearick-I'd rather wait a few days for a building binge if it means keeping 0-0 quiet while we grow
[17:53] -Teiru-Yep, I would gladly donate resources to him too just like you say. We need some more time.
[17:53] -Yearick-Its just unfortunate that he's on the front line of it
[17:54] -Teiru-Indeed
**Im so sick of the bullsh*t the last few days,lol the truth of the matter is Cyan is not innocent. It is a game with armies so when you piss alot of people off you got to expect their armies to come knocking besides from his chats he seemed so sure he is the best and could handle anyone,lol so i hope you now understand the reasons why i have chosen to attack Cyan i personally have no problems or intentions of going after anyother members (Even though by rights we could as they were planing on attacking us but i believe only because of Cyan) and that is why i have not declared war because as far as im concerned it's only revenge against Cyan not a war against the whole alliance.
Here is another one of their alliances chats to shed a little light on why-[00:57] I can send you 10K stone in a bit Balks, just waiting for my caravans to get back from shuffling resources around during mass diplo attack
[00:57] who attacked you?
[00:58] Queen of the Calawotsits, she objects to my killing alexius's caravans when he is harvesting on my soverign terrains
[00:59] So far shes had a couple successful scout missions, lost 200 sabs and 75 thieves, and managed to get off with 7K gold. Fair swap so far
[00:59] stone is on the way
[00:59] yeah, he tried to harvest on my sovereign terrain too
[00:59] I have informed her that we consider harvesting on soverign terrains as thieving
[01:00] and thieving caravans are subject to execution
[01:01] yep
[01:02] She said where she comes from destroying caravans is a declaration of war and invited me to move close to her so she could show me what she did to destroyers of caravans.
[01:02] I said I pity her for living in such a barbaric place and said I would not move from my nice civilised spot
[01:03] yeah, what's her pop?
[01:03] 85K I think
[01:03] ouch

Whilst i feel Yearick is a good alliance head i think due to Cyans size he is the main diplo influence and i felt he should stew in retaliation to their intial diplo efforts and whilst i cannot speak for others my alliance has every intention of  stopping when Cyan has payed. Oh and in response to RMY-Shanks before you make a comment find out the facts first, the fact of the matter is our issues had started before issues with TMM had blown up  so we are not hiding behind their smoke screen as you put it and we have nothing to do with TMM. We are not the bullys, I tried diplomatically to sort things out and was very nice about things considering. I myself like to help and be friendly and i have made alot of friends in game because of it. Anyway that is just my 2cents feel free to contact me if you are wishing to discuss the problems further.  Thanks & Best wishes to all, BecBlue Smile 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2010 at 00:29
Zangi, my initial inquiries were for advice and mediation, not intervention, so I wasn't worried about logistics.  This is the first war most of us have been involved in, so it's a tough environment to understand what is going on, let alone all of the game mechanics involved in a siege set against your city.  Prior to this, our only major military battle came when a Mal Motshan attack followed a new member to our alliance cluster after she teleported out of their territory.  Thank you for offering the considerations we must have of the other alliances decisions.  I have tried to message soome members of the alliances, as free time allows, but some don't answer, and some claim they are just following orders. 
 
Starry, it wasn't my intention to get T? involved, I know and appreciate what your alliance is about and what you do.  The message was to ask if you would petition H? on our behalf to mediate.  I sent you an in-game message with the player's name to keep their identity private.  I don't know what happened to the message that was supposed to have been sent.  After your reply, I checked the player's alliance history, and the player was not in T?, so I'm a little confused about how this happened...  Apologies.
I hope to join you in Mal Motsha should fate allow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 2010 at 22:03
"Oh, its lovely weather for a slay ride together with youuu!!!"  

"History is written by the whiners"

Just a couple of (altered) quotes that I thought might add a bit of merriment to this post...  

note: The opinions stated in the above quotes do not necessarily reflect the beliefs and/or views of the poster or his small, peaceful alliance that has nothing to do with any of the wars going on.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 2010 at 17:21
As various members of WE have already mentioned, these attacks have come out of the blue.

While we tried to reach an NAP with them once the thievery accusations came to light, they left mails unanswered and the NAP unaccepted the only response I had was from one of their members who was rather approachable concerning the situation.  The text is below:

Sent By:zxzicezxz
Received By:Yearick
Sent:06NOV10 20:59
Subject:Re: Re: Re: Re: Type Subject Here

Sadly i don't think the majority are.

Can't say i didn't try ><

> ------------------------------------------
> Sent By: Yearick
> Received By: zxzicezxz
> Sent: 06NOV10 17:22
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Type Subject Here
> Message: Hello zxzicezxz,

I sent a NAP to your alliance well over a week ago but as of yet have heard nothing back. Should I assume that the Prisoners of Society are not interested in peace?

Sincerely,

Yearick

Sent By:zxzicezxz
Received By:Yearick
Sent:25OCT10 21:43
Subject:Re: Re: Type Subject Here

Bec is from Australia so her msg's come at odd hours. The best option would have been to simply ask us if we did indeed thief one of your smaller members.

When Cyan sent out his scouts it pretty much was asking for a fight because at that it had seemed like your alliance was the instigator.

Honestly i think our alliances have a lot to gain by becoming friends.

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> Sent By: Yearick
> Received By: zxzicezxz
> Sent: 25OCT10 17:51
> Subject: Re: Type Subject Here
> Message: Zxzicezxz,

As I told BecBlue we're up for a NAP, and any attacks on you are not condoned by World's End as a whole. Do you know its Cyan, or just suspect it since he's the largest player in our Alliance? I should also mention that as soon as your alliance arrived one of our smaller players was attacked with thieves. As the new comers, its obvious your alliance was suspected. I'm more than happy to put this all behind us, yet your leader hasn't responded to my most recent letter.

Please let me know if the attacks continue.

-Yearick 

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> Sent By: zxzicezxz
> Received By: Yearick
> Sent: 25OCT10 15:14
> Subject: Type Subject Here
> Message: 
I would tell Cyan to check himself and to calm down before it goes too far.

I'm not trying to be an asshole or tell you what to do but seriously lets look at this from a strategic point of view - We are twice your size with almost half the player count as you. Now you could ignore that fact and let a war happen or you can push a NAP harder and gain a good Allie.

The choice is ultimately yours but looking at the over all battlefield we don't have as much to lose as your alliance does.

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Now it appears that the prisoners of society have been planning this for awhile.  Accusing us of aggression while bringing it to our doorstep.  Also for the record, WE did not move during the Great Move.  We solidified our holdings and even contracted our borders.  I'll ask for help, mediation, or advice, but at the very least if Worlds End falls to the hands of the Prisoners, I ask all of Illyriad to recognize that the next threat to peace is already in your midst.

On one other note, one of my cities looks as if it will be sieged as well by BerZerg of Valar.  I'm not sure what offense I've done other than leading my people and seeking peace, and if this is the prisoner's crusade against Cyan why is their coalition spreading their attacks to other members?  If this be a war, then the aggressors need to have the courage to acknowledge it as such.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 2010 at 16:01
Finrod, my inbox has been a disaster for days but I don't remember getting a message from an ex-T member about your situation.    If I had, I would have responded that Toothless is in no position to help anyone, I have an alliance full of new players who are just learning the game; we are also a peaceful alliance.     The TMM situation has us busy trying to protect our new players in that area of conflict (including those fleeing the threats by TMM). :(


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 2010 at 15:26
Consultation with alliance members? 
Preventing a war is one thing... but, getting into another needs the backing of the alliance.

Mulling over logistics? 
The farther away they are from you, the less willing people are to help.  (At least, supposedly to your benefit, you guys are in a central place.)

Those things can take time. 
Rogue/vigilante actions are looked down upon because it reflects their alliance as a whole.

It isn't so simple... look at how long it took for the anti-TMM coalition to get together...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 2010 at 14:54
I've contacted SirTwitchy of 0-0, azreil from Valar, (I haven't had time to write to Tinuviel-meant to yesterday) asking why they are attacking.  ST said Cyan was the target, but has not responded to follow up requests as to why. Azreil didn't reply.
 
H? has not replied to my request for advice or mediation (I did not ask them to intervene militarily). I contacted shayala, MoreBlue4U2, and Pasi from Tranquil Vision, again asking for mediation, but have not received a response. 
 
My understanding is Good Company is trying to gather info from both sides, but I haven't heard from them for a day perhaps.
 
I've tried to avoid contacting alliances I know are dealing with TMM (except my request to H? for diplomatic aid).
 
I believe a WE member who was once part of T? contacted Starry, but again, they are having trouble with TMM.
 
What dismays me most is that my messages have been read, and no reponse was given; it is not that my requests for mediation have been denied, it's that they seem to have been completely ignored.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 2010 at 14:18
diplomacy didnt work? did u try letting a third party negotiate for you?
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