Why the war against World's End?

Becblue wrote: **Im so sick of the bullsh*t the last few days,lol the truth of the matter is Cyan is not innocent. It is a game with armies so when you piss alot of people off you got to expect their armies to come knocking besides from his chats he seemed so sure he is the best and could handle anyone,lol so i hope you now understand the reasons why i have chosen to attack Cyan i personally have no problems or intentions of going after anyother members (Even though by rights we could as they were planing on attacking us but i believe only because of Cyan) and that is why i have not declared war because as far as im concerned it's only revenge against Cyan not a war against the whole alliance.

If you REALLY feel this strongly that your position against Cyan is a righteous cause, even going so far as to post chat logs (censoring names does not help your cause much) the one thing which will quieten down the uproar of dissaproval from the Illyriad community at large (this excludes the 3 alliances against Cyan of course) is actual proof of Cyan thieving the alliances and casting hostile spells (I concede that if these were one-shot spells they prob won't be identifiable).

It's not that hard to identify the source of a diplo attack, all you need is a lot of free time, screenshots and graph plotting skills.

On the other hand i see absolutely NOTHING wrong with killing caravans on YOUR sov squares if they're not in your alliance/NAP/Confed. It's your Tile, you claimed it as your land, therefore it's your res spawn point. Thats the whole point of claiming sov, is it not?

If you REALLY feel this strongly that your position against Cyan is a righteous cause, even going so far as to post chat logs (censoring names does not help your cause much) the one thing which will quieten down the uproar of dissaproval from the Illyriad community at large (this excludes the 3 alliances against Cyan of course) is actual proof of Cyan thieving the alliances and casting hostile spells (I concede that if these were one-shot spells they prob won't be identifiable).

It's not that hard to identify the source of a diplo attack, all you need is a lot of free time, screenshots and graph plotting skills.

On the other hand i see absolutely NOTHING wrong with killing caravans on YOUR sov squares if they're not in your alliance/NAP/Confed. It's your Tile, you claimed it as your land, therefore it's your res spawn point. Thats the whole point of claiming sov, is it not?
**To reply to your post Smoking. I didn't not censor the names they didn't appear when the chat was copied and sent to me. As you said yourself one time spells are hard to trace and you can never have real proof of it other then monitoring a players magic rank and as for your identifying diplo attacks i myself was on and witnessed Cyans diplo attacks but unfortunately i do not have alot of free time nor do i have screenshots or graphing skills (Iam no computer wizz i'm a country girl who only got a computer last year) If you think it is justified to kill caravans on sov squares then you should also realise it is going to piss some people off and they will seek payback coz not everyone agrees with it so you shouldn't have a cry if someone comes after you for revenge because of it. I would also like to ask everyone why is this such a big deal he pissed alot of people off that is why the 3 alliances came together. Has everyone forgotten the fact that this is a game and not everyone is going to get along. I ask you this are we never meant to use the armies and sieges we build if someone continues after we have tried to diplomatically resolve the issue? Because if so that would make the game a little pointless.

Smoking GNU wrote: A reason is not needed to go to war. Yet saying you have a reason might require some proof if you're don't want a political clustersuck on your hands. The playerbaseis riling against the "Cause" as it were, because the excuse can be used against anyone to justify any attack, no matter how baseless.

This.  Just to make it clear to you guys. 
Trying to be righteous about it falls short when all you got is: "We got no proof whatsoever, but its gotta be him."

Also, @BecBlue use the quote thing when you quote people, less confusing that way.

Smoking GNU wrote: Let me put it like this. People are Riling up against the 3 alliances because they're screaming Bloody Murder and Revenge, yet fail to substanciate their claims. This sets an ugly precident. When will the 3 involved allianced decide I need to be taken out "For revenge cause i aggrivated a lot of people" then refuse to prove anything that you claim? Where will this stop? Is there anyone you won't accuse of wrong doing?

You are just fearmongering. I don't know what you stand to gain from that, but telling everyone you live in fear of the day we come for you is ridiculous. A lot of PoS came from IE. We were not a ruthless, warring alliance when we were at out peak at rank 3 or 4. We are not ruthless or bloodthirsty now.

Smoking GNU wrote: A reason is not needed to go to war. Yet saying you have a reason might require some proof if you're don't want a political clustersuck on your hands. The playerbaseis riling against the "Cause" as it were, because the excuse can be used against anyone to justify any attack, no matter how baseless.

I'm sorry, but you all were 'riling' long before Bec decided to come on here and state some facts. Before we apparently made baseless accusations, you already made up your mind about what we were all about. Whatever WE said might have been pure truth, might have been pure lies, unless you hear it from the horses mouth (sorry Bec :P) don't be so easily swayed.

The point is so me people decided to come on here and start painting us in a bad light. Saying we are using TMM as a smokescreen is a baseless accusation in itself. Shouldn't slander us on the public forums; people in glass houses and all that.

Smoking GNU wrote: Basically, all your saying is "We attack you because you hit us and we WON'T Prove it, so stfu and take your punishment" Also, if you get all bent out of shap cause you lost a few caravans when you sent it out of your own safe zone and into non-friendly terretory, i REALLY do not want to see you when faction AI gets introduced. You are going to loose a LOT more caravans, trade missions and so on than you ever did with Cyan.

I think you just want to see us as the bad guys. You know that AI is obviously different from human players, I don't even know why you'd want to make a joke out of us getting 'riled' over AI attacks. Unless it's a not-so-subtle attempt at making us look foolish, which is childish tbh.
I think we are also not alone when we think that bumping caravans is bearable, but destroying them is not.
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/invictus-victrix-announcement_topic1271.html
Injustices have been committed upon our members. We found our enemy had been busy making even more enemies. We are dealing with the situation. We are not destroying poor defenceless newbies. We are teaching a particular someone who has been around long enough to know better that when you push, sometimes people push back.


You accuse H? of policing the server. Lol. I think what people are more concerned with is the fact that they want to go around policing the server and imposing their morality upon every alliance and H? scares them too much to do it. Stop trying to police other alliances actions that you have no affiliations nor concerns with. Rest assured that we are not going to come after you if you don't destroy our caravans and send mass diplo missions.

I'll leave you with a final thought. A lot of people across 3 alliances are targetting a select few. Is it more logincal that there was a mass coordination of resources to get together, pool information, scout out and find a random target to attack simultaneously, or do you think that maybe, just maybe, that person has pissed a lot of people off?

hI remember vhen Cyan vas a tiny little guy! And den vhen he used prestige to get really big really quick (and he hyused it damned smart to grow as fast as he did, honestly) and started attackink and threatenink to siege da cities of some of our members, for reasons dat vere never quite made clear. He does know how to throw his veight around doh, and hI imagine dat at least a few people in various alliances hef reason to dislike him.

Still, he never bothered me, and never launched da siege he vas threatenink, so who knows. Hef fun vit hyus var, guys.