why isnt there talk of the war here

@Mahaut
“The whole shebang quite obviously has nothing to do with land claims - if that was the case why the peace with two land claiming alliances?”
I´ll tell you why. After 6 alliances declared war on Stomp, He-man sent 2 sieges at our member Odoacer, for which we cleared and sent sieges back at him. Unfortunately, our sieges were cleared by T-O and our blockades, sieges and our attempts to strike back at He-man were constantly undermined by T-O.
Stomp felt that there was no need to be at war with T-O since they do not have a land claim, their sister alliance does, and we feel that T-SC, RE, Hans, Death, BB, and any other small alliance that have a land claim represent no real threat to Stomp. The only alliance that can enforce their land claim is SIN, and that is why Stomp came to peace terms with T-O, to be able to concentrate our efforts on SIN. After peace was agreed, and following with a NAP with T-O, we finally were able to raze one of He-man’s towns.
Also, after Sin declared war on Stomp, they immediately sent sieges at our smaller members’ towns in BL, small towns that weren´t able to defend themselves and were successfully razed by Sin.
Stomp received a couple of days ago an igm for peace negotiations from Jax, the leader of Hansa, where he says the following: “We understand your're at war with the ideology of land claims. We will not revoke our current claim (as our future immigration of new players which is planned out); however we will not* enlarge the claim on The Pirate Isles as previously planned, in return for peace. [If need be, we will change our rules on our land claim, as to where you will pay taxes instead of there being a requirement to exodus (this will be our greatest extent to a change in our land claim)] I hope this proposal is enough to end the war between us.”
This is where I can´t seem to grasp the concept of players that think they have a right to impose the following on other players:
1.     Pay taxes instead of there being a requirement to exodus
What Jax is saying is that currently, players that land a town in their “land claim”, are required to exodus, but if Stomp agrees to peace with Hansa, they will not require players to exodus but to pay taxes…
I simply don´t understand this, and it´s fine, they seem to think they have a right to play that way, I have the right to challenge their land claim, and that´s what this is all about.
Regardless that Stomp has agreed for peace with RE and T-SC, we did not agree to recognize their land claim, RE required Stomp to recognize it, they came to us for peace, we told them that we will not recognize their land claim, but that Stomp feels RE represents to threat at all, considering their size. Hence I offered peace without recognition of their land claim and they took it.
Till this day I have not heard from T-SC, I negotiated with T-O and they only wanted Stomp to fight a fair war, which I found to be rather ironic considering they were harboring a player and an alliance that has no concept of what it means to fight fairly. I tried to implement a fair fight, regardless of what Brandmeister may think, I approached my opponent, gave them a chance for diplomacy, gave them a chance to prepare for war, unlike Sin´s actions, where they without warning declared war and immediately sent sieges at our weakest players. Which is fine, they are free to play however they see fit. I just found it rather funny that T-O was asking Stomp to fight fair, which makes me wonder if T-O had all the facts, clearly I see a lot of people making assumptions, and just because they don´t understand a certain situation does not mean that their initial impression of the war is correct.
Stomp´s strategy has changed, and it´s now public, we will try to concentrate our efforts on Sin, if we can get support there might be a fight, if not, we will have to end the war.
Either people don’t care to know the facts, or just want to come to the forums and express their views with the intention to show the community that they are mind readers and have Stomp all figured out. If you want to know something, ask, Stomp has nothing to hide.
Thanks

disagree, this it totally about land claims and its just in beginning stages....right now the teams are just positioning themselves and taking out potential threats...there is so much politics going on its just crazy...both sides are recuiting and actually its one of the more interesting conflicts the game has had...the future game play of broken lands will probably be decided...its fun to watch and i wish the best of luck to both sides and also to maybe a third party that might get involved!

Can it really be attributed to a desire for PvP? The original war declaration was one player (main and alt) with 25-30 cities in Elgea, versus basically one guy with one big, vulnerable city in Elgea. I don't consider 25:1 odds to be a real PvP challenge. The hostility always seemed inspired by other events, with the land claims as a convenient scapegoat. It's worth noting that Stomp didn't declare war against any other territory claims except T-SC, and that the two parent alliances involved (Shade/DARK and T-O, respectively) were adversaries in the last war. Lingering hostility seems like a more plausible explanation.

@Pico:

"What I am sure about is that the reason STOMP claims, namely doing it for the good of the whole of Illy as aj claims, is complete bogus.

Of course I may be wrong. Maybe watching these cycles of instigating mass wars for over 3 years now for ridiculous reasons, has made me cynical."

I wonder how somebody can be absolutely sure of something and in his very next phrase state that he could be wrong...

Excellent job Captain Kindly, keep on trolling