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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 20:00
You can have fun in military terms by participating in tourneys, where you can show your strengh in a sportive event, and gain prizes.
Voluntarly be deleting other's accounts (because razing the cities of other players means to delete their accounts) is only funny for one side.


Originally posted by Drejan Drejan wrote:

 ...you are calling warmongers people who have never sieged anyone.......please....

Now that pill is hard to shallow. H? indeed took a great part in the institution of peace over Illy, and from the start, by crushing White and Black (H? and White where already the 2 most powerful alliances in the first month of the game). White only wanted to bring utter chaos to Illyriad from its start... It's quite easy to be less warmongering than them (self-note). Even if this account deletion fest was ""justified"", H? already deleted a good amount of accounts. Not to mention H? leaders pursued their retaliations against those who did something during the war or had a link with White... Did all the players deleted by H? really deserved it? I doubt, as many didnt know White's leadership's true personality, and just followed orders.
 
Only because of this war and retaliations i think we can estimate accounts 100% deleted by H? (leaving a 0 pop capitale per account) around 30-40, and around 100 and 150 if we count those leaving cause of boredom, after they lost some or most of their cities in war or retaliations.
Then there were the Valar war, where H? ""justified"" them as well. It's ok, but it's also some more accounts deletion. H? are not the best ranked in terms of Sieges stats, or raze/capture attempts, but it's important to point out that a great part of the towns they razed/captured, belonged to active players, contrary to most of the top siegers we can see, who quite only razed/captured inactive cities. 

For White and Valar (who was 2nd rank when war started), even if we can strongly suppose H? had personal interests to defend, they at the same time promoted peace, as Valar and mostly White had a quite agressive leadership.

I hardly can compare White or the former Valar with the current VIC or Consone, who are seeking to develop friendship and to have fun during tourneys. The most agressive player i've seen in VIC, and who for exemple thieved his own mates cause of different points of views, and harrassed and insulted others for the exact same reason, now sees fit in H? (and participated in the "territorial incidents" VIC had with H? after the creation of Consone)

In the current context, i note the apparent efforts from H? to prepare the ground for the today's war:
- not accepting Consone from it's birth while they came in peace, followed by hostile behaviours and more or less subtle insults on the forum or in game. And closed doors to discussion or diplomacy.

- constantly initiating territorial incidents with VIC, certainly to test their reactions: For exemple: attempts to relocate by force (sov 5/relocate tactic) some H? cities ridiculously close to VIC's ones.

- this point is only my own point of view, but i suspect H? leaders to have advised RHY to launch the first sieges against Absa... everyone was quite surprised of RHY's reaction: Deimos (RHY) was claiming a mine far from him, in the middle of Skb, and not respecting the rules of his own alliance by claiming specifically on the 2 sq range of 2 Skb members. And while Deimos obviously did wrong and while Absa and Skb re-opened negociations after first one failed, they sent sieges? Nobody knew RHY were so agressive, it was a surprise. When we add the suspisciously hiden bonds between RHY and H? into that, my archaic mind directly suspects an agreement RHY/H? to start those sieges against Absa, which would permit to push Consone into action, and then easily declare war, while Consone lost already many troops in the tourney (i note that they did the same for Valar, they waited the middle of the tourney, while saving their troops, to declare the war).


All that to say that im not sure if H? changed or if we now are seeing a part of the bottom of the iceberg, but for me, H? leaders are nowadays acting beyond their bond to maintain peace, as being the leading alliance. I am a bit disapointed of what i see today of this leading alliance, as for me, it shelters many Veterans who i hold in high respect, and who did a lot for this game. 


I know i melt actual facts with some personal feelings, but i tried to give a balanced thought. This message is for the players external to this story, and who may want to read a more serious and a bit less biased comment than what this forum currently offers. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 19:06
Originally posted by Drejan Drejan wrote:

Originally posted by Ossian Ossian wrote:

 all you want is War!
Are you kidding? 
First, the peace you had in last years was CREATED by H? no one can argue that.

Second... i'm full of this crap, you know how many players left becouse they were bored of the game? i can remember 30-40 old players. How many left for war? 

You talk of different play style and you fail to understand that other players might look for some action from time to time ...you are calling warmongers people who have never sieged anyone.......please....
Peacefull alliance can live happily in Illyriad they just need to stay NEUTRAL!
You can't ally with a military superpower in a cold-war and pretend not to be in a fight...

This is a GAME, if you can't see it you should look for some help, and in this game 95% of the things (right now) are based on military.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 14:34
Originally posted by Ossian Ossian wrote:

 all you want is War!
Are you kidding? 
First, the peace you had in last years was CREATED by H? no one can argue that.

Second... i'm full of this crap, you know how many players left becouse they were bored of the game? i can remember 30-40 old players. How many left for war? 

You talk of different play style and you fail to understand that other players might look for some action from time to time ...you are calling warmongers people who have never sieged anyone.......please....
Peacefull alliance can live happily in Illyriad they just need to stay NEUTRAL!
You can't ally with a military superpower in a cold-war and pretend not to be in a fight...

This is a GAME, if you can't see it you should look for some help, and in this game 95% of the things (right now) are based on military.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 14:16
Originally posted by Llyorn Of Jaensch Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:

Erm we agree...

Look at who I quoted, I don't see how you think I'm arguing with you :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 14:09
Remember the Cold War?

Lots of military equipment, lots of troops, no actual fighting.

At the moment, business (trade and crafting) is based on military, and in smaller parts, diplomacy. As long as we have nothing else to base our Illy economy on, we have to base it on the military. Maybe with these new resources, there will be a shift? Who knows. Making and selling pretty jewelry to adorn our avatars might be a new take? But hopefully we can see some kind of shift into magic, and maybe get tools to terraform the land itself. Then economy would shift to a more balanced military/non military trade system.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 13:39
Originally posted by Llyorn Of Jaensch Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:

Originally posted by Ossian Ossian wrote:

Actually KP, I think that given the current circumstances - that is a question for YOU to answer...otherwise you lay yourself open to the charge that as leader of H? - all you want is War! Please show us your skills to create a constructive facet of the game rather than a destructive one. 


Umm 3 years of leading the most successful alliance...

Question for ya pal: Name me a game where 75% of the concept (I refer to military buildings vs non) is orientated (refer % of buildings which has a military orientation) towards military and the progressive next step.....which has had so little conflict.

You state all KP wants is war? 3 years of record and fact speak very differently to your baseless mud...

Easy one mate. "Lego" Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 13:11
Originally posted by Ossian Ossian wrote:

Actually KP, I think that given the current circumstances - that is a question for YOU to answer...otherwise you lay yourself open to the charge that as leader of H? - all you want is War! Please show us your skills to create a constructive facet of the game rather than a destructive one. 


Umm 3 years of leading the most successful alliance in Illy and fostered THE most peaceful community in the gameing community....maybe?

Question for ya pal: Name me a game where 75% of the concept (I refer to military buildings vs non) is orientated (refer % of buildings which has a military orientation) towards military and the progressive next step.....which has had so little conflict.

You state all KP wants is war? 3 years of record and fact speak very differently to your baseless mud.

Fact. Jack.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 13:00
Originally posted by Loud Whispers Loud Whispers wrote:

"llyriad is a free-to-play, HTML5 massively-multiplayer real-time strategy game, set in a vast fantasy world of mountain ranges, lakes, forests..."

Erm we agree...

Originally posted by Loud Whispers Loud Whispers wrote:

It is just amongst one tool where all can pursue their own ends.

Erm we agree...

Are we on arguing? I forgotted.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 12:27
Originally posted by Loud Whispers Loud Whispers wrote:

Originally posted by DeathDealer89 DeathDealer89 wrote:

Playing a game designed for war but no one ever goes to war.

"llyriad is a free-to-play, HTML5 massively-multiplayer real-time strategy game, set in a vast fantasy world of mountain ranges, lakes, forests..."

Strategy does not demand war. It is just amongst one tool where all can pursue their own ends.


Originally posted by Salararius Salararius wrote:

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Why do you associate maturity with peace in a game designed for war?

It's a very good question, it deserves an answer.

Because there is only one server, and it is eternal? If we break the world server, it's going to stay like that. Actions in Illyriad carry more consequences because there's only one. Hence why war isn't taken lightly. That's my take on it.
Actually KP, I think that given the current circumstances - that is a question for YOU to answer...otherwise you lay yourself open to the charge that as leader of H? - all you want is War! Please show us your skills to create a constructive facet of the game rather than a destructive one. Thereby imho lies the path of a mature player.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 11:26
Originally posted by DeathDealer89 DeathDealer89 wrote:

Playing a game designed for war but no one ever goes to war.

"llyriad is a free-to-play, HTML5 massively-multiplayer real-time strategy game, set in a vast fantasy world of mountain ranges, lakes, forests..."

Strategy does not demand war. It is just amongst one tool where all can pursue their own ends.


Originally posted by Salararius Salararius wrote:

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Why do you associate maturity with peace in a game designed for war?

It's a very good question, it deserves an answer.

Because there is only one server, and it is eternal? If we break the world server, it's going to stay like that. Actions in Illyriad carry more consequences because there's only one. Hence why war isn't taken lightly. That's my take on it.
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