Why are we fighting?

lmao, Twi!

Scara-- I believe you are reading way too much into my use of the word. It has nothing to do with disrespect. I respect the heck out of much of the former Consone alliance. I really, really respect VIC for the hard fight they fought and Sloter and the leadership team at VIC for that. None of that is intended in my use of Soup. It's more a fond term that we use internally and a funny play on words.

Kumomoto wrote: scaramouche wrote: Kumomoto wrote: It will make the Soup War look like a tea party and be bloody beyond anything Illy has ever seen. Kumo..it still riles me to see you quoting the " soup " reference to an organisation that deserves a little more respect than you STILL resorting to childish name calling. They were the coalitions enemy and they lost the war admittedly, but still, cmon, show some respect for the looser? All your accomplishing is making people more determined to wipe that sarcastic grin of your face. Scara and Ossian-- We internally call it the Soup War. It is an amusing play on words. That's it. You all have obviously reached the complete bottom of the barrel in ways to try to discredit H? and me in your futile attempts to make us into the sort of boogeyman that it would be justified to fight on this scale. Nice try, but please get more original.

I make no shout or implication that H? as a whole try to dis-respect the ex Consone organisation by using the term " soup "...only that I have very rarely seen any other H? member use this term except for you so consistently.
there simply is no need for it...consone had a proper name...is it so hard for you to use it?
Or is it purely cos its quicker to type the four lettered word " soup"
If you fail to show your fellow players any respect how do you possibly expect it back?
Just because your enemy sit behind an Illy pseudo name and computer sprite it doesn't mean he doesn't deserve some respect.

Redfist wrote: Soup is a term dreamt up by H? and peddled by Kumo in a derisory way to initially to deride the fact that Consone's alliances were not concentrated in military type hubs. It then took another derisory meaning which was in no way mean't to show "that Consone achieved more than it was given credit" - quite the opposite in fact. Nonetheless, I think that Consone did achieve a lot in this game. As a confederation it achieved more than any group of alliances. It also had some amazing talent and developed initiatives eg Eaque and Illy tools. It's detractors will probably  now follow with series of posts (including some from Deranzin using big black bold type) denying this and that or deriding Consone even further -  but for me Consone may have been Illy's finest hour :)

I am not for or against anything but I do like facts. Illy Tools was up and running a very long time before Consone was even dreamt up.

Who knows, maybe after this war more people will appreciate attributes which Jasche had. Honest cooperation and respectful relations between different groups are ideals which can't be destructed so easy. Soup will brew in some pot again, I'm sure :)

As per usual Ossian - you're off with the fairies.  Soup was merely a play on words, nothing more, nothing less.

As for the rest - it's ancient history which has been debated to death.  Whatever their achievements Consone was full of flaws and they self-destructed when put to the test.