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Kompanion 
Greenhorn
Joined: 08 Jan 2012
Location: USA
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Points: 53
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 Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 19:40 |
 Denanzin wrote:
Now, you claiming that population size is immaterial, is a blatant affront for anyone's logic. Do note please the use of the words "CAN" and "POTENTIAL" ... if some people are NOT using their potential in a military way this is their own decision. BUT, for everyone else, this is the common standard of estimating the RELATIVE (note the word) strength of an alliance, since I can remember and it is not something H? came up with, unless you can prove that.
Till then please cut the silly things about population metric being propaganda, ok .?. You talk about votes and stuff on the other thread and here you come and ignore one of the most basic and agreed upon convention of the whole server .?. 
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The strength of alliances to conduct war is not determined by the levels of their buildings. As
SB has said many times in GC, he lowered his population after finally
smartening up. He has said many times in GC that he feels that the
strongest military accounts are not the largest in population. He even goes so far as to give the size which he feels makes for the strongest military accounts. I
absolutely, 100% agree with SB from NC regarding that statement. By him
making that statement he is also rejecting the notion that population
should be used in determining the strength of his military. IF he
believed contrary his towns would be larger. I have to tell you, if you feel otherwise, go argue with SB. 
Edited by Kompanion - 01 Nov 2013 at 19:51
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Deranzin
Postmaster
Joined: 10 Oct 2011
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Points: 845
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 18:58 |
Kompanion wrote:
I believe this topic may have drifted a bit off topic.
As pointed by Kumomoto, h?'s stength is disproportionate to their size. Despite the numbers they have won wars at odds which most would think would be insurmountable. We have been reminded of this on more than one occasion in GC
I think anyone with a reasonable amount of sense (not sisren at this moment in time) would agree that in order for a fight to be determined equal the combatants would need to be of near equal strength and ability.
Strength and ability in this game are determined by a great many things. Commander levels, knowledge of terrain modifiers, military sov, the ability to manipulate files and spreadsheets etc.
This game has much depth. To say that equally sized opponents make for a fair fight in this game is either naive or something spewed out of the h? propoganda machine, don't buy it for a second.
To top things off, NC has been allowed in my opinion to pursue a pattern of aggression through intimidation. Just as Kumomoto has pointed out h? is great a much stronger adversary than their size would suggest and they are already the largest alliance on the server.
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You do not buy it for one second and then you use it the next second .?. ahahahhahha Seriously dude, he who has more population CAN have more gold income. He who has more gold income CAN have more troops He who can have more troops has more POTENTIAL in battles. The above is how the game is designed and this is indisputable. Now, you claiming that population size is immaterial, is a blatant affront for anyone's logic. Do note please the use of the words "CAN" and "POTENTIAL" ... if some people are NOT using their potential in a military way this is their own decision. BUT, for everyone else, this is the common standard of estimating the RELATIVE (note the word) strength of an alliance, since I can remember and it is not something H? came up with, unless you can prove that. Till then please cut the silly things about population metric being propaganda, ok .?. You talk about votes and stuff on the other thread and here you come and ignore one of the most basic and agreed upon convention of the whole server .?.
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Sisren
Forum Warrior
Joined: 03 Feb 2012
Location: PA, USA
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Points: 446
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 18:47 |
Heya Komp, Maybe you should stop including me in your posts chum.
I am quite sensible, just find certain actions taken, and certain things committed to text repugnant.
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KillerPoodle
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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Points: 1853
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 18:46 |
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And equally obviously we're not alone in ours - what's your point?
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Kompanion
Greenhorn
Joined: 08 Jan 2012
Location: USA
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Points: 53
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 18:42 |
Halcyon wrote:
Why are we fighting?
Because ever since the Consone-Coalition war, in which Dark was a part
of The Coalition, some Coalition alliances, especially Night Crusaders, have
been aggressively targeting weaker alliances with the full knowledge that these
alliances will most probably not be supported by their allies due to fear of
The Coalition. Under this atmosphere of intimidation, Night Crusaders were
allowed to act unimpeded against one unsupported alliance after another. It
began with Insanity inc. (some would say with Steel, but this was before the
Consone-Coalition war), proceeded with Bane and now continues with Celtic Knights.
When NC got in trouble against Bane, members of another Coalition alliance,
Trivium were brought in to finish the job. With Bane surrendering, NC went
directly for the next target in a seemingly never ending list: Celtic Knights.
This is the point that some alliances, including Dark, said enough and some
began to fight against NC and Trivium when the last came again to NC's aid (mind
you, without declaring war).
Why is Harmless? involved in this war? Because Harmless directors have
never shown any inclination to try and restrain NC's aggression, but exactly
the opposite, always informed that NC will ultimately be supported by the
entire Coalition, never mind whatever they do.
Harmless? leaders are now trying to convince the community that this war
is about revenge. They can't rightfully claim so of Crows, Shade, Soon and
especially of Dark who was their ally until recently, but slowly drifted apart
due to H?'s continuous support of NC aggression. All of us just had enough and
this is why we are fighting.
Make no mistake. This is not a war of revenge. This is a war between
those who support NC aggression and those who have finally stood up to attempt
and make an end to it. This war will define the future of Illyriad. Either it
will restore some kind of balance, or it will end with all those who are not
H?'s henchmen living in continuous fear of being the next victim of NC and
their allies.
We call upon all the free people of Elgea to join us against oppression.
We are making a stand.
Come stand with us.
Come now.
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I believe this topic may have drifted a bit off topic. As pointed by Kumomoto, h?'s stength is disproportionate to their size. Despite the numbers they have won wars at odds which most would think would be insurmountable. We have been reminded of this on more than one occasion in GC I think anyone with a reasonable amount of sense (not sisren at this moment in time) would agree that in order for a fight to be determined equal the combatants would need to be of near equal strength and ability. Strength and ability in this game are determined by a great many things. Commander levels, knowledge of terrain modifiers, military sov, the ability to manipulate files and spreadsheets etc. This game has much depth. To say that equally sized opponents make for a fair fight in this game is either naive or something spewed out of the h? propoganda machine, don't buy it for a second. To top things off, NC has been allowed in my opinion to pursue a pattern of aggression through intimidation. Just as Kumomoto has pointed out h? is great a much stronger adversary than their size would suggest and they are already the largest alliance on the server. In summary: To stand against NC meant to stand against harmless if they deemed the fight to be unfair. The performance metrics used by h? to measure a fair fight were inconsistent with how they measure their own strength and incorrect in my own opinion. Dark and other alliances grew weary of this and had spoken with h? on more than one occasion about this matter. Obviously we were not alone in our opinions.
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Sisren
Forum Warrior
Joined: 03 Feb 2012
Location: PA, USA
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Points: 446
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 17:46 |
ULYSSEUS wrote:
...You are part of H?'s propaganda machine now, so I understand the spin cycle is in high mode...
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Actually Uly, the damage happened right here. You are full aware of my thoughts on being truthful, yet insinuate I am either lying, or making of information. This is repugnant to me. Thank you.
You are also aware of who helped (I never said resolved) bring that lil spat to a close, and you agreed with it at the time. Remember, Dark may have been run by a council under you, but you had final say in such matters.
I am done with this topic, moving onwards.
Live on courageously.
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Tatharion
Wordsmith
Joined: 11 Jun 2012
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Points: 139
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 15:46 |
"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
When strong, avoid them. If of high morale, depress them. Seem humble to fill them with conceit. If at ease, exhaust them. If united, separate them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.
If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.
Be extremely subtle even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent s fate."
But my most favorite quote will always remain:
"If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by."
Sun Tzu
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Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong.
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Kumomoto
Postmaster General
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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Points: 2224
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 15:23 |
Tamaeon wrote:
You've played the game, and you've made the wrong moves for your own selfish reasons. Now you're staring down a barrel, and you know your defeat is drawing near. There's no use in trying to control the narrative. Just accept your fate, and the inevitability of defeat. You've had a great run as the #1 alliance of the server, and now you're facing your biggest challenge yet. Will you fight like the farmer soldiers you are (lol), or continue these futile attempts at delaying the inevitable? |
I won't bother replying to your other invective, but I will address the above. If you are telling your alliance mates and allies that this war is going to be anything less than over a year of bloody slugfest, then you are deluding them. This war will likely never end. It will make the Soup War look like a tea party and be bloody beyond anything Illy has ever seen. Just an FYI-- I think that you are completely deluded if you think that your victory is "inevitable". I put my money on H? and our allies winning this war without a doubt. And I'm not just saying that. I empirically believe that. But I believe it will take 18 or so months of really tough fighting to get there and I don't think that is good for anyone. Trust me, we've been in 6 month wars and everyone is tired. You haven't. War fatigue is real and 18 months will see many players and alliances leaving because of it. H? and our allies will not be amongst those, unfortunately for you. Let the record show that we tried to talk this one out and avoid it, because, mark my words, by the time this war is over, nobody is going to like it...
Edited by Kumomoto - 01 Nov 2013 at 18:32
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twilights
Postmaster
Joined: 21 May 2012
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Points: 915
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 13:00 |
my masters are letting me out of my cage to create mayhem and havoc on our enemies, i will not return until they muzzle me...i advise all u wimps on the other side to move to a neutral allaince and stop all this whinning in the forums...it makes me want to puke puke puke...run and hide...we coming for u...we kill leaders first! and maybe turncoates...remember this is a game, dont take anything i say personally 
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Grego
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Joined: 09 May 2010
Location: Klek
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Points: 729
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Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 09:57 |
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Full page quote for one short comment? Please don't do that
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