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bartimeus 
Forum Warrior
Joined: 09 Jul 2010
Location: Right behind U
Status: Offline
Points: 222
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 Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 18:38 |
Hear my sentence;
All charge against Crank are droped, provided that he accepts to serve as a helper to newbys in the T? alliance for the next 200 days. "Helper" involves sending rescource, advise and millitary reenforcement to the newbys. Additionnaly, if he doesn't behave very well, Crank may be asked to mop the floor of H? and T? headquarter.
(Just kiding, I made that up. I do not have the autority to do such a thing.)
Edited by bartimeus - 05 Oct 2010 at 18:42
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Bartimeus, your very best friend.
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KillerPoodle
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 1853
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 18:35 |
 Shrapnel wrote:
CranK is no longer a threat and wants to "turn over a new leaf" so to speak. You have another option. Will you take it? If CranK agreed to a payment for all damages, would you take it? CranK, would you agree to pay it?
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Had Crank attempted to do any of those things rather than come whine on the forum and then get the rest of his alliance to do the same things may have worked out differently.
Irrelevant and his role was very limted. Also disputed, though given it may have been Diablito's goal, the rest may have just seen it as RPing bluster. Besides, it's not really possible to do that unless the player themself quits. I simply agree to disagree on this part though.
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Pure speculation on your part - no basis in fact. I consider taking someone to zero pop to be effectively removing them from the game you're just splitting hairs.
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Most leaders? Not all? I thought this was your core argument that he was a leader, why not the other leaders? This is more and more looking like you guys have a persona vendetta against CranK himself. This isn't about playing a game anymore, but attacking someone personally.
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If you would prefer, we can extend our operations and make sure we get everyone. I thought you were trying to persuade us not to do that - you can't have it both ways. Some members did contact us directly, discuss things and then moved on. Some contacted us and said "Bite me" and lost a city or more. The point is, we hit several people - this is not just about CranK
I haven't seen any lies or rabble rousing (can't deny exaggeration) and I don't believe anyone's goal has been simply to tarnish your image.
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hypocritical wrote:
next they will go unfairly for invictus, tranquil vision or someone powerful, and again no one will stand up
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Lies - much like your own comment in Global last night (yes I saw it).
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Shrapnel
Wordsmith
Joined: 01 Jun 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 180
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 18:01 |
KillerPoodle wrote:
H? Have never attacked anyone without severe provocation and without being attacked first. We always try diplomacy and only go all out when left no other option. |
CranK is no longer a threat and wants to "turn over a new leaf" so to speak. You have another option. Will you take it? If CranK agreed to a payment for all damages, would you take it? CranK, would you agree to pay it?
CranK was a senior member of a coalition who stated that they wanted to totally remove us from the game and then proceeded to attack us to back up their stated goals.
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Irrelevant and his role was very limted. Also disputed, though given it may have been Diablito's goal, the rest may have just seen it as RPing bluster. Besides, it's not really possible to do that unless the player themself quits. I simply agree to disagree on this part though.
As a result of that we have taken action against most of the leaders of that coalition, action which is now close to completion. After that it's done. In taking that action we have been very restrained, more so that our attackers would have been if the situation were reversed. The vast majority of all combatants have been left completely untouched - again not something that would have happened to us if we'd have lost.
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Most leaders? Not all? I thought this was your core argument that he was a leader, why not the other leaders? This is more and more looking like you guys have a persona vendetta against CranK himself. This isn't about playing a game anymore, but attacking someone personally. As for whether anyone in BLACK would have not been as restrained as you, that is also disputed. We'll never know since they lost. Even before this, I've never bought this WHITE is the devil incarnate crap that H? always spouted, I never bought the crap WHITE spouted either. Only H? has the luxury of proving WHITE wrong and I hope H? takes advantage of that luxury.
We will not be swayed by lies, exaggeration and rabble rousing such as that exhibited in this thread, nor by the transparent attempts to tarnish our image. In fact, said attempts merely make us more resolute in our desire to follow through with our limited retribution.
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I haven't seen any lies or rabble rousing (can't deny exaggeration) and I don't believe anyone's goal has been simply to tarnish your image. If your image is tarnished, only your own actions have done so. I haven't heard anyone say "H? is a bad and evil alliance", but we have said your wrong on a few issues. Your accusations otherwise are like accusing people who protest government decisions of being unpatriotic or accusing a couple who has one fight of hating each other. We don't have to like everything you do. That said, this has been a heated discussion, and I apologize for the aggresiveness for which I have argued this topic. I recognize the good and the civility in the way H? has conducted itself in 95% of the game. I have tried to stress that my complaint is on this one issue alone. Once we agree to disagree, maybe we can get on with the game and look forward to the new enhancements.
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G0DsDestroyer
Postmaster
Joined: 16 Sep 2010
Location: Ásgarð/Vanaheim
Status: Offline
Points: 975
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 17:17 |
why can't you people just believe what happened if people stopped playing because they were defeated,well to *Removed* bad. If they can't take being beat, which happens in war, then they don't deserve to be playing anyway. H?'s actions seem justified to me.
Yeah i suppose that maybe there was something that they could have done, well to bad what has happened has happened. A good idea would be for everyone not to mess with the top ranked alliance anyway, that's suicide.
Cleaned for profanity - Strategos
Edited by Strategos - 05 Oct 2010 at 17:55
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CranK
Forum Warrior
Joined: 27 Apr 2010
Location: Holland
Status: Offline
Points: 286
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 17:11 |
KillerPoodle wrote:
Finally, I find it frankly hilarious that your alliance title is diplomat since you've done more to ensure the destruction of CranK's capital than anyone else. I hope you're satisfied with the results of your efforts.
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Damn you hypo.. I should raze your cities now !  Ow and KP, I thought I was the 1 who was resposible for the distruction of my own town? :)
Edited by CranK - 05 Oct 2010 at 17:15
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KillerPoodle
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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Points: 1853
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 17:04 |
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I can't really believe I'm doing this, but I'm going to say it one more time if only to point out how much rubbish you spout. So, for the last time:
H? Have never attacked anyone without severe provocation and without being attacked first. We always try diplomacy and only go all out when left no other option.
CranK was a senior member of a coalition who stated that they wanted to totally remove us from the game and then proceeded to attack us to back up their stated goals.
As a result of that we have taken action against most of the leaders of that coalition, action which is now close to completion. After that it's done. In taking that action we have been very restrained, more so that our attackers would have been if the situation were reversed. The vast majority of all combatants have been left completely untouched - again not something that would have happened to us if we'd have lost.
We will not be swayed by lies, exaggeration and rabble rousing such as that exhibited in this thread, nor by the transparent attempts to tarnish our image. In fact, said attempts merely make us more resolute in our desire to follow through with our limited retribution.
Finally, I find it frankly hilarious that your alliance title is diplomat since you've done more to ensure the destruction of CranK's capital than anyone else. I hope you're satisfied with the results of your efforts.
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-hypocritical-
Greenhorn
Joined: 11 Sep 2010
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 81
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 16:46 |
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Alert! Danger is upon all god fearing men and women of freedom! The Dlords and WOTP have began their quest for Illyriad subjugation and world domination!
Gigi attacked several WOTP's members and they had the ARROGANCE to respond in self 'defence', extracting a measure of 'justice'.
What to do with the DLords and WOTP?
Is anyone one safe? Are your children? Could WOTP or Dlords kill your children? Im not SAYING they will, I'm simply asking the question. Can DLords or WOTP prove they WONT kill our children?!
Freedom is at stake from these potential baby killers and Im reminded of a quote. Im not saying its a Nazi reference Im simply saying ITS RELEVANT HERE! -
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.
First WOTP's and Dlords 'defend' themselves and now they attack our children! (Well, Im not saying they have but can they prove they haven't or wont in the future!?!?!
A thread needs to be started! Who's with me! Rise free people of Illyriad or are you all keen to suffer under this communist yoke!?
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as laccy put it, gigi was a loose cannon, attacking members, even if not in war and containued attacking
CranK showed he wasn't attacking newbs anymore, so he was no longer a danger
also in the orgining mail, it was wise,dlord, wotps, and h?, and according to the mail wotp sent out, they where only attacking wotp members, h? must just love attacking our member ;)
also @ miaa you need to understand, it was the fact that h? will say they commited "war crimes" they wont actually, h? will hit for no reason, surely you must have caught on to that?(it went hand in hand with the quote, they unfairly went for us, no one stood up, next they will go unfairly for invictus, tranquil vision or someone powerful, and again no one will stand up)
and yea I'm lumping you in with H? as it does say in your alliance page "We are a sister alliance to Harmless?" so you are a family of alliances and therefore can be lumped together
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CranK
Forum Warrior
Joined: 27 Apr 2010
Location: Holland
Status: Offline
Points: 286
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 14:24 |
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Alert! Danger is upon all god fearing men and
women of freedom! The Dlords and WOTP have began their quest for
Illyriad subjugation and world domination!
Gigi attacked several WOTP's members and they had the ARROGANCE to respond in self 'defence', extracting a measure of 'justice'.
What to do with the DLords and WOTP?
Is
anyone one safe? Are your children? Could WOTP or Dlords kill your
children? Im not SAYING they will, I'm simply asking the question. Can
DLords or WOTP prove they WONT kill our children?!
Freedom is at
stake from these potential baby killers and Im reminded of a quote. Im
not saying its a Nazi reference Im simply saying ITS RELEVANT HERE! -
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.
First
WOTP's and Dlords 'defend' themselves and now they attack our children!
(Well, Im not saying they have but can they prove they haven't or wont
in the future!?!?!
A thread needs to be started! Who's with me!
Rise free people of Illyriad or are you all keen to suffer under this
communist yoke!?
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very original... 
Edited by CranK - 05 Oct 2010 at 14:25
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KarL Aegis
Forum Warrior
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: New York
Status: Offline
Points: 287
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 14:21 |
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You're too late! gigi already started the thread and promptly went inactive
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I am not amused.
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Llyorn Of Jaensch
Postmaster
Joined: 31 Mar 2010
Location: Sydney
Status: Offline
Points: 924
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 13:26 |
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Alert! Danger is upon all god fearing men and women of freedom! The Dlords and WOTP have began their quest for Illyriad subjugation and world domination!
Gigi attacked several WOTP's members and they had the ARROGANCE to respond in self 'defence', extracting a measure of 'justice'.
What to do with the DLords and WOTP?
Is anyone one safe? Are your children? Could WOTP or Dlords kill your children? Im not SAYING they will, I'm simply asking the question. Can DLords or WOTP prove they WONT kill our children?!
Freedom is at stake from these potential baby killers and Im reminded of a quote. Im not saying its a Nazi reference Im simply saying ITS RELEVANT HERE! -
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.
First WOTP's and Dlords 'defend' themselves and now they attack our children! (Well, Im not saying they have but can they prove they haven't or wont in the future!?!?!
A thread needs to be started! Who's with me! Rise free people of Illyriad or are you all keen to suffer under this communist yoke!?
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