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KarL Aegis
Forum Warrior
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: New York
Status: Offline
Points: 287
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Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 01:59 |
Do I really have to quote myself?
Finnegas wrote:
...I suggested certain conditions for peace given the resentful nature of Casino. He didn't accept...
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Ivorich Von Forge wrote:
...Of course he didnt accept such Stalinistic demands! Of course he was resentful of having his caravans murdered! Would you have reacted any differently had the roles been reversed?
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KarL Aegis wrote:
Use your negotiation skill. The initial offer is SUPPOSED to be ridiculous. It's to see if you can haggle a little with some diplomacy. But, you decided it would be better to insult them, refuse to make any kind of deal, and ragequit.
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I am not amused.
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Ivorich Von Forge
Greenhorn
Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Location: Shreveport, La
Status: Offline
Points: 44
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Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 23:59 |
Finnegas wrote:
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Hail Ivorich, almighty judge of everything that happens in Illyriad! ...
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Almighty? Hardly. But yes, I do judge all that happens in Illyriad that concerns myself, my alliance, and my friends. I came into this conflict heavily biased toward my friends. The evidence that was presented me convinced me to rethink that position. EO, and you, yourself had an equal opportunity to offer evidence to the contrary, but all I saw from your camp confirmed the evidence presented by BC.
Finnegas wrote:
...I think even Casino is beginning to believe his own story. Half the facts are missing and the other half are twisted, but anyway, that'd be just my word against his...
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Then please, by all means, show us the other half of the facts and your particular twist on those you present as well as those previously presented by BC. It never was his word against yours, it was his evidence against...what?
Finnegas wrote:
...I suggested certain conditions for peace given the resentful nature of Casino. He didn't accept...
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Of course he didnt accept such Stalinistic demands! Of course he was resentful of having his caravans murdered! Would you have reacted any differently had the roles been reversed?
Finnegas wrote:
Casino wrote:
I will see you soon. Cause i am in your stack. |
I'm sure Casino will try to get back at me sometime in the future... |
I am sure he will, and when he does, If you've been a good boy, perhaps the community will come to your defense. Justice is honorable, revenge despicable. Now that peace has been offered and accepted by both sides, I strongly suggest both sides continue about their own business and leave recent unpleasantness in the past. Any violation of this negotiated peace by either side will not be well accepted by the community at large.
Finnegas wrote:
...Casino has asked for peace repeatedly as an strategy to rebuild his troops and wards...he kept knocking every door asking for a tactical peace... |
Are these assumptions concerning his motivations based on solid fact? Are they the result of your ability to descern his thoughts? Or perhaps they are wild speculation on your part becasue the only way your actions would be in any way acceptable is if those assumptions were true?
Finnegas wrote:
...Ivorich comparing me to crafty and hammy really hurted. I dissaprove of their behaviour too. |
In this I think there is a bit of misunderstanding. True a comparisson was made, and on the points that is was made it is a valid one. You are (or were? I havent checked yet today.) all in the same alliance. That is a valid comparison. You were all, in my opinion, dishonorable, though in different ways. That is a valid comparison. and these comparisons reflect badly on an alliance which seemed to be tolerating various types of dishonorable behaviour. *side note* Since then, I have noticed a sudden cessation of hammy and crafty's panhandling. I assume that is becasue EO got on the ball and put a stop to it. That's good. That's what an honorable alliance should do. */side note* The comparison to which you are alluding - that somehow you are a lazy beggar because you are in the same alliance with some who are (or now, "were") - was not one I ever made nor ever intended to make. Show me I was hasty and incorrect in my judgement and I shall be even more hasty to apologize. Honor and integrity demand such.
Edited by Ivorich Von Forge - 31 Aug 2010 at 00:00
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Finnegas
New Poster
Joined: 30 Aug 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 22
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Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 02:25 |
Ivorich Von Forge wrote:
For a final time I strongly suggest you remove those who are dishonorable from your alliance. If they remain, EO will learn first-hand how MK, Tubana, and Z0rglib felt.
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Hail Ivorich, almighty judge of everything that happens in Illyriad!
I didn't even know about this thread! It seems that Big Casino (now Little) has had more success with his smear campaign here than in the chats.
I think even Casino is beginning to believe his own story. Half the facts are missing and the other half are twisted, but anyway, that'd be just my word against his. The summary of the story is that I defeated a player double my size who had vowed to destroy me and would not submit even when he didn't have a chance.
My leaders have just declared peace and I am not attacking him, because he's ceased to be a threat "for the moment":
Casino wrote:
I will see you soon. Cause i am in your stack.
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I suggested certain conditions for peace given the resentful nature of Casino. He didn't accept, so we had to enforce this conditions on him by destroying his capital, although in the end he did it for us. I'm sure Casino will try to get back at me sometime in the future. I'm fine with it. If he wins, it'd be my fault for not finishing him off while I had the chance.
Just a couple more things:
Casino has asked for peace repeatedly as an strategy to rebuild his troops and wards. I was given the command of this war and even if he didn't know that, he knew he had to deal with me. Instead, he kept knocking every door asking for a tactical peace while he kept cursing me and saying he'd kick me out of the game. That is why I never stopped my campaign.
Ivorich comparing me to crafty and hammy really hurted. I dissaprove of their behaviour too.
Cheers,
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Ivorich Von Forge
Greenhorn
Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Location: Shreveport, La
Status: Offline
Points: 44
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Posted: 29 Aug 2010 at 02:54 |
*UPDATE* I was made aware by parties on both sides after I had revoked the NAP that all troops en route to TT members had been recalled and some form of peace (verbal or formal, I'm not sure) has again been declared. While I hope for the best and that peace conitnues where it falterred in the past, I will take a "wait and see" position before again offering a NAP to EO. */UPDATE*
Brids17 wrote:
Casino wrote:
Its about giving a heads up on how this alliance deals with others. nothing more, nothing less. |
While that may be true, anyone with common sense realizes there is two sides to every story, so anyone whose going to blindly follow what someone says in the forums is probably going to find themselves in the situation you claim to be in.
I'd suggest spending less time arguing here and more time reading about how you can properly defend your city, especially from a weaker foe.
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While your points are well taken, I have to disagree with your allusion to "blindly following" in this specific case. I am a friend of both Sheo and King EAM and came into this conflict heavily biased in their favor. After reading statements from both sides, I find Finnegas totally reprehensible and EO policy of rabidly defending the obvious evildoers as very dishonorable. I have sent the following message to both my friends and cancelled the NAP between EO and FoF: Members or a member of EO is now attacking members of TT who were totally uninvolved in the conflict between Finn and BC. For this reason, FoF is canceling our NAP. For a final time I strongly suggest you remove those who are dishonorable from your alliance. If they remain, EO will learn first-hand how MK, Tubana, and Z0rglib felt.
Edited by Ivorich Von Forge - 29 Aug 2010 at 07:02
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 1483
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Posted: 28 Aug 2010 at 20:36 |
Casino wrote:
it is all but Demo'd right now so he isn't getting squat. |
For future reference, research wards and glyphs. Had you had a war of destruction up I'm sure you could have fought off "1000 troops".
Casino wrote:
Its about giving a heads up on how this alliance deals with others. nothing more, nothing less. |
While that may be true, anyone with common sense realizes there is two sides to every story, so anyone whose going to blindly follow what someone says in the forums is probably going to find themselves in the situation you claim to be in. I'd suggest spending less time arguing here and more time reading about how you can properly defend your city, especially from a weaker foe.
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Casino
New Poster
Joined: 24 Aug 2010
Location: non ya
Status: Offline
Points: 12
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Posted: 27 Aug 2010 at 14:13 |
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Nope not complaining, if you read the title it says to watch out for them. For they "peace" and still attack. They have leaders who don't even talk to each other and each does whatever. I could care less over losing a town. it is all but Demo'd right now so he isn't getting squat. Its about giving a heads up on how this alliance deals with others. nothing more, nothing less.
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Shrapnel
Wordsmith
Joined: 01 Jun 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 180
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Posted: 27 Aug 2010 at 13:26 |
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I don't hear him complaining about losing a war at all. Seems only EO is saying that. He's complaining about making peace and then EO breaking the peace. The war before that peace is irrelevant.
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Redfist
Greenhorn
Joined: 14 Aug 2010
Location: Duraz Karag
Status: Offline
Points: 91
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Posted: 27 Aug 2010 at 12:31 |
Hmmmm Big Casino started this thread by claiming to shocked at the level of "politics" involved in illyriad.
On reading the thread, it seems to me ,that he is attempting to turn opinion against E.O and King Eam and perhaps involve other alliances in a way that would change a local spat into a full blown war; hoping to gain advantage. He is fairly accomplished at "politics" himself and certanly not the neophyte he led us to believe.
But we should not be allowed to be drawn into this. He fought a war he lost plain and simple.
Having said that King Eam's approach to diplomacy seems to be less than errrm consistent. A point that other alliances should note!
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Casino
New Poster
Joined: 24 Aug 2010
Location: non ya
Status: Offline
Points: 12
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Posted: 27 Aug 2010 at 03:31 |
KarL Aegis wrote:
Use your negotiation skill. The initial offer is SUPPOSED to be ridiculous. It's to see if you can haggle a little with some diplomacy. But, you decided it would be better to insult them, refuse to make any kind of deal, and ragequit. Demoing your city so he gets nothing is stupid, because he doesn't have the means to take your city. You could have researched vaults at your cities so he couldn't take as much resources from you, and upgraded your vaults from the protected resources. But no, you decided to continue the war when King EAM's partner, Sheogorath, decided to communicate with you. |
there is a siege on my city incoming in 20 hours.from their guy Syn, so please do not tell me they can not do it. As for the first demands its the same ones finn used when we first met, i told him to get bent as i told eam. Trust me my friend, i haven't quit :) you just don't know where i am atm :) But since he can take the city i did demo it, so he will get nothing. i live and die by my rules, not theirs.
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KarL Aegis
Forum Warrior
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: New York
Status: Offline
Points: 287
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Posted: 27 Aug 2010 at 02:34 |
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Use your negotiation skill. The initial offer is SUPPOSED to be ridiculous. It's to see if you can haggle a little with some diplomacy. But, you decided it would be better to insult them, refuse to make any kind of deal, and ragequit. Demoing your city so he gets nothing is stupid, because he doesn't have the means to take your city. You could have researched vaults at your cities so he couldn't take as much resources from you, and upgraded your vaults from the protected resources. But no, you decided to continue the war when King EAM's partner, Sheogorath, decided to communicate with you.
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I am not amused.
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