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Brids17 
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
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Points: 1483
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 Posted: 28 Aug 2010 at 20:36 |
 Casino wrote:
it is all but Demo'd right now so he isn't getting squat. |
For future reference, research wards and glyphs. Had you had a war of destruction up I'm sure you could have fought off "1000 troops".
Casino wrote:
Its about giving a heads up on how this alliance deals with others. nothing more, nothing less. |
While that may be true, anyone with common sense realizes there is two sides to every story, so anyone whose going to blindly follow what someone says in the forums is probably going to find themselves in the situation you claim to be in. I'd suggest spending less time arguing here and more time reading about how you can properly defend your city, especially from a weaker foe.
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Ivorich Von Forge
Greenhorn
Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Location: Shreveport, La
Status: Offline
Points: 44
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Posted: 29 Aug 2010 at 02:54 |
*UPDATE* I was made aware by parties on both sides after I had revoked the NAP that all troops en route to TT members had been recalled and some form of peace (verbal or formal, I'm not sure) has again been declared. While I hope for the best and that peace conitnues where it falterred in the past, I will take a "wait and see" position before again offering a NAP to EO. */UPDATE*
Brids17 wrote:
Casino wrote:
Its about giving a heads up on how this alliance deals with others. nothing more, nothing less. |
While that may be true, anyone with common sense realizes there is two sides to every story, so anyone whose going to blindly follow what someone says in the forums is probably going to find themselves in the situation you claim to be in.
I'd suggest spending less time arguing here and more time reading about how you can properly defend your city, especially from a weaker foe.
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While your points are well taken, I have to disagree with your allusion to "blindly following" in this specific case. I am a friend of both Sheo and King EAM and came into this conflict heavily biased in their favor. After reading statements from both sides, I find Finnegas totally reprehensible and EO policy of rabidly defending the obvious evildoers as very dishonorable. I have sent the following message to both my friends and cancelled the NAP between EO and FoF: Members or a member of EO is now attacking members of TT who were totally uninvolved in the conflict between Finn and BC. For this reason, FoF is canceling our NAP. For a final time I strongly suggest you remove those who are dishonorable from your alliance. If they remain, EO will learn first-hand how MK, Tubana, and Z0rglib felt.
Edited by Ivorich Von Forge - 29 Aug 2010 at 07:02
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Finnegas
New Poster
Joined: 30 Aug 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 22
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Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 02:25 |
Ivorich Von Forge wrote:
For a final time I strongly suggest you remove those who are dishonorable from your alliance. If they remain, EO will learn first-hand how MK, Tubana, and Z0rglib felt.
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Hail Ivorich, almighty judge of everything that happens in Illyriad! 
I didn't even know about this thread! It seems that Big Casino (now Little) has had more success with his smear campaign here than in the chats.
I think even Casino is beginning to believe his own story. Half the facts are missing and the other half are twisted, but anyway, that'd be just my word against his. The summary of the story is that I defeated a player double my size who had vowed to destroy me and would not submit even when he didn't have a chance.
My leaders have just declared peace and I am not attacking him, because he's ceased to be a threat "for the moment":
Casino wrote:
I will see you soon. Cause i am in your stack.
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I suggested certain conditions for peace given the resentful nature of Casino. He didn't accept, so we had to enforce this conditions on him by destroying his capital, although in the end he did it for us. I'm sure Casino will try to get back at me sometime in the future. I'm fine with it. If he wins, it'd be my fault for not finishing him off while I had the chance.
Just a couple more things:
Casino has asked for peace repeatedly as an strategy to rebuild his troops and wards. I was given the command of this war and even if he didn't know that, he knew he had to deal with me. Instead, he kept knocking every door asking for a tactical peace while he kept cursing me and saying he'd kick me out of the game. That is why I never stopped my campaign.
Ivorich comparing me to crafty and hammy really hurted. I dissaprove of their behaviour too.
Cheers,
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Ivorich Von Forge
Greenhorn
Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Location: Shreveport, La
Status: Offline
Points: 44
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Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 23:59 |
Finnegas wrote:
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Hail Ivorich, almighty judge of everything that happens in Illyriad! ...
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Almighty? Hardly. But yes, I do judge all that happens in Illyriad that concerns myself, my alliance, and my friends. I came into this conflict heavily biased toward my friends. The evidence that was presented me convinced me to rethink that position. EO, and you, yourself had an equal opportunity to offer evidence to the contrary, but all I saw from your camp confirmed the evidence presented by BC.
Finnegas wrote:
...I think even Casino is beginning to believe his own story. Half the facts are missing and the other half are twisted, but anyway, that'd be just my word against his...
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Then please, by all means, show us the other half of the facts and your particular twist on those you present as well as those previously presented by BC. It never was his word against yours, it was his evidence against...what?
Finnegas wrote:
...I suggested certain conditions for peace given the resentful nature of Casino. He didn't accept...
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Of course he didnt accept such Stalinistic demands! Of course he was resentful of having his caravans murdered! Would you have reacted any differently had the roles been reversed?
Finnegas wrote:
Casino wrote:
I will see you soon. Cause i am in your stack. |
I'm sure Casino will try to get back at me sometime in the future... |
I am sure he will, and when he does, If you've been a good boy, perhaps the community will come to your defense. Justice is honorable, revenge despicable. Now that peace has been offered and accepted by both sides, I strongly suggest both sides continue about their own business and leave recent unpleasantness in the past. Any violation of this negotiated peace by either side will not be well accepted by the community at large.
Finnegas wrote:
...Casino has asked for peace repeatedly as an strategy to rebuild his troops and wards...he kept knocking every door asking for a tactical peace... |
Are these assumptions concerning his motivations based on solid fact? Are they the result of your ability to descern his thoughts? Or perhaps they are wild speculation on your part becasue the only way your actions would be in any way acceptable is if those assumptions were true?
Finnegas wrote:
...Ivorich comparing me to crafty and hammy really hurted. I dissaprove of their behaviour too. |
In this I think there is a bit of misunderstanding. True a comparisson was made, and on the points that is was made it is a valid one. You are (or were? I havent checked yet today.) all in the same alliance. That is a valid comparison. You were all, in my opinion, dishonorable, though in different ways. That is a valid comparison. and these comparisons reflect badly on an alliance which seemed to be tolerating various types of dishonorable behaviour. *side note* Since then, I have noticed a sudden cessation of hammy and crafty's panhandling. I assume that is becasue EO got on the ball and put a stop to it. That's good. That's what an honorable alliance should do. */side note* The comparison to which you are alluding - that somehow you are a lazy beggar because you are in the same alliance with some who are (or now, "were") - was not one I ever made nor ever intended to make. Show me I was hasty and incorrect in my judgement and I shall be even more hasty to apologize. Honor and integrity demand such.
Edited by Ivorich Von Forge - 31 Aug 2010 at 00:00
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KarL Aegis
Forum Warrior
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: New York
Status: Offline
Points: 287
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Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 01:59 |
Do I really have to quote myself?
Finnegas wrote:
...I suggested certain conditions for peace given the resentful nature of Casino. He didn't accept...
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Ivorich Von Forge wrote:
...Of course he didnt accept such Stalinistic demands! Of course he was resentful of having his caravans murdered! Would you have reacted any differently had the roles been reversed?
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KarL Aegis wrote:
Use your negotiation skill. The initial offer is SUPPOSED to be ridiculous. It's to see if you can haggle a little with some diplomacy. But, you decided it would be better to insult them, refuse to make any kind of deal, and ragequit.
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I am not amused.
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Ivorich Von Forge
Greenhorn
Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Location: Shreveport, La
Status: Offline
Points: 44
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Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 03:02 |
KarL Aegis wrote:
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KarL Aegis wrote:
Use your negotiation skill. The initial offer is SUPPOSED to be ridiculous. It's to see if you can haggle a little with some diplomacy. But, you decided it would be better to insult them, refuse to make any kind of deal, and ragequit.
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You assume BC has negotiation skills. I've seen no evidence to support this. And even if he had, you must admit that having peaceful merchants brutally murdered while gathering resources would hardly put anyone, including yourself, in the mood for incessant squabbling back and forth about how many and what type of troops one is allowed to build to protect said merchants.
Edited by Ivorich Von Forge - 31 Aug 2010 at 03:02
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Finnegas
New Poster
Joined: 30 Aug 2010
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Points: 22
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Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 03:33 |
Ivorich Von Forge wrote:
you must admit that having peaceful merchants brutally murdered while gathering resources would hardly put anyone, including yourself, in the mood |
That is exactly why I started killing Big Casino's caravans, because he was attacking mine. He then scalated and started our second war (this last one was the third). After this second war concluded, he kept sending blights to me until I threatened to star a third war (which I did, chosing my time of course). This is just a token for your search of the eternal truth.
Irrespective of any particular details, Casino got what he deserved for his bragging, bullying, bitching and cursing, and unluckily for him, I responded swiftly and harsly to his threats.
Ivorich Von Forge wrote:
If you've been a good boy, perhaps the community will come to your defense.
[...] Any violation of this negotiated peace by either side will not be well accepted by the community at large.
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It's good to have here the voice of "the community". Thank you, but I'd rather defend myself than start bitching everywhere.
As for violations, Big Casino is already violanting our peace agreement. For instance, he's still mocking our alliance with his remaining town's name (not that I am terribly offended, but he can't even show a hint of good-will). So, currently, if I decided to start hostilities again, I'd be justified by the peace terms .
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Dogbert
Greenhorn
Joined: 09 May 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 72
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Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 04:16 |
bazzinga.
thanks for your time
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Zangi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 295
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Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 04:27 |
Ivorich Von Forge wrote:
KarL Aegis wrote:
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KarL Aegis wrote:
Use your negotiation skill. The initial offer is SUPPOSED to be ridiculous. It's to see if you can haggle a little with some diplomacy. But, you decided it would be better to insult them, refuse to make any kind of deal, and ragequit.
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You assume BC has negotiation skills. I've seen no evidence to support this. And even if he had, you must admit that having peaceful merchants brutally murdered while gathering resources would hardly put anyone, including yourself, in the mood for incessant squabbling back and forth about how many and what type of troops one is allowed to build to protect said merchants.
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It can be assumed that it was not a serious peace offer, not like there is any reason to make peace when you are rolling em over and farming em. Hard to give up that arrangement... free exp, advanced resources, and basic resources too. And hey, making em quit is fine too. After the way they were shafted? Its better not to make enemies after-all. Know what I mean?
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 1483
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Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 17:09 |
Finnegas wrote:
As for violations, Big Casino is already violanting our peace agreement. For instance, he's still mocking our alliance with his remaining town's name (not that I am terribly offended, but he can't even show a hint of good-will). So, currently, if I decided to start hostilities again, I'd be justified by the peace terms . |
You're going to attack him over a city name? Why you're even making peace is beyond me, you obviously have no interest in it.
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