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Points: 824 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 18:12
Originally posted by Sgt..Shanks Sgt..Shanks wrote:

The mail exists, I have seen it.


That doesn't prove anything.  Maybe Borg knows Zork in real life and recently Zork did something etc so Borg decided to go take some revenge in illy. 
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Points: 446 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 17:47
i didnt post this thread for any other reason then to inform why we are at war 
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Points: 568 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 17:38
Let me write even slower for you.

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Points: 1650 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 17:32
Let me make my argument more clear for you, and I'll write extra slowly.  Both forms of "evidence" are equally flimsy due to the ease of fabrication.

If you think a string of text has any shred of credibility above the claims of multiple sources, you vastly underestimate how easily anyone could type from scratch, or create by modifying the copied html of an existing unrelated email, or even easier still by modifying an Illyriad web page on the fly and then copying that.

Ultimately both forms of "evidence" are just words typed in a box.  But at least the latter is very likely involving actual distinct sources corroborating each other without conflict or discrepancy.
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Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

You make it sound like a posting of text that forms the content of an alleged email is somehow irrefutable proof.  Nok is right; multiple witnesses claiming its validity really is just as solid a source of evidence.


HonoredMule, has your distaste for Aneirin colored your opinion here? You are a smart guy, so I was pretty damn surprised to see your reply here.

I do NOT agree that "multiple witnesses claiming its validity really is just as solid a source of evidence."

That is a red herring fallacy, specifically "Argumentum Ad Populum" (Wonder if Amroth can translate this?) Just because there are multiple witnesses CLAIMING it's validity, does not make the statement true.

Both Rill and Aneirin are correct in demanding the proof that many claim to have. I do not see that as an unreasonable request..

The other issue is you are assuming that the proof has to be presented in text. I appeal to the internet law of "PICS, OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN"
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Points: 1650 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 16:08
You make it sound like a posting of text that forms the content of an alleged email is somehow irrefutable proof.  Nok is right; multiple witnesses claiming its validity really is just as solid a source of evidence.
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Originally posted by Nokigon Nokigon wrote:

I have as well.
And even if I hadn't, the multitude pf people the mail is genuine would be enough to persuade me.

That's not good enough Nokigon. 

Lets see the proof!
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Points: 1452 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 10:49
I have as well.
And even if I hadn't, the multitude pf people the mail is genuine would be enough to persuade me.


Edited by Nokigon - 07 Aug 2011 at 10:50
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The mail exists, I have seen it.
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Points: 288 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 09:44
I think Rill is right. You should not make accusations of rule breaking without proof of what you are saying. You should really report it to the GM's. How about if a person makes an accusation and has not provided proof to the forum or reported it to the admin team within say 3 days - then the community blocks them on Chat or something.
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