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The_Dragon 
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 Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:45 |
 Southern Dwarf wrote:
Not for me. If it is a war game for you that is your choice. The point is that everyone may decide for themselves how to play and no one dictates it to them. Does it matter for you that other people do not see this game as a war game? And if yes then why? |
That's why everybody should have the right to do what he want to do in this game, as long as it is not against Dev's rules. If someone like to hit weaker players, go ahead, send your army to hit them. If someone like to protect weaker players, go ahead, send your army to protect them.
What is not allowed is if someone in forum disallow other players to do an action while Devs do not ban that action.
For example, player A play in Illyriad. He doesn't build army at all. Someday player B attack him. Player A can post in forum, asking for help from other players, but he doesn't allowed to ban player B from attacking him. Don't forget that in Illyriad, server allowed players to attack other players. Other players may help players A, other players even are allowed to siege all of Player B towns, kick him out of this game, since server allow that action. Player B cannot say that you may not siege all of my towns since server allow that. Player B can post in forum asking from help. If no one want to help him, then he has to accept that all of his town are gone.
Please don't make rules in a game, Devs make rules, not players.
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Ander
Postmaster General
Joined: 24 Apr 2011
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:40 |
A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle.
You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may(or may not) think it reflects who you are.
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belargyle
Forum Warrior
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Location: USA
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Points: 401
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:22 |
Rill wrote:
This game is what we make of it. It reflects who we are. Hopefully we are the sort of people who can respect ourselves in the morning.  |
I disagree, not with "the game is what we make it", but with "it reflects who we are". This is patently untrue.. it reflects how we play not who we are.
It's a game, so playing as we enjoy allows us to respect ourselves in the morning. Now whether or not 'you' respect them, that is another story altogether.
Edited by belargyle - 12 Oct 2012 at 18:25
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Drejan
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:22 |
belargyle wrote:
Many people over look one of the deeper portions of the game and see only the surface 'war' (defined as physical attack to destroy units, or castle of another player). A LARGE part of Illy is the community and thus diplomacy is what this game is equally about. This is the part that flows beneath the surface of the game and keeps it moving. It is the secret blood of the Illy animal. Not many really understand the game because they leave this side out, which is like covering one of your own eyes - making you half blind.
What is right is typically right in the one who is describing their position, whether you agree or not. Truth is not relative, but opinions on what that truth might be, are.
This game has a FULL history of people making half baked claims to justify actions, and the truth is most often half the community will agree with you and half the other. Their are those rare events where everyone looks at you like you are the village idiot, though.. and those 'have' happened in the past.. and those alliances are no longer with us. (TMM is a good example)
Again, just stating that diplomacy is as equal a part of the game as war and peace. |
I agree, Diplomacy is really fun in illyriad, but it's a direct conseguence of troops, you would not see this level of diplomacy or propaganda without war meccanics! I'm not talking of how people like to have fun, what i think is the game basic meccanics are a war-game one. Anyone is than free to play as he like.
Edited by Drejan - 12 Oct 2012 at 18:23
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Elmindra
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:22 |
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It doesn't matter what you decide to label Illy as, since anyone can play and play it in any fashion they wish. If a person wishes to play at war and attack people he is more than welcome to. Same if someone wishes to not build troops at all. That doesn't mean that because the game allows something you are justified and without wrong in doing so. People in multiplayer games are judged by their peers and the only reason they seek justification in their actions is because they care what others think. Everyone should play Illy as they please. That includes some members not condoning other's actions.
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Southern Dwarf
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Joined: 28 Sep 2011
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:22 |
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Not for me. If it is a war game for you that is your choice. The point is that everyone may decide for themselves how to play and no one dictates it to them. Does it matter for you that other people do not see this game as a war game? And if yes then why?
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Also known as Afaslizo ingame.
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Drejan
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:18 |
I can argue that you are actually helping other for troops. But even if, good you'r having fun in a war game without using troops, good for you, this make the game not war-game?
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belargyle
Forum Warrior
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:18 |
Elmindra wrote:
I totally agree that a major part of Illy seems to be geared towards war. From my point of view that doesn't seem to be the major issue so much as a really obvious attempt to pursue a smear campaign against a certain confed. I have no problem getting attacked or even getting destroyed. It is just a game. But I have a problem with half baked attempts to justify actions in order to sway public opinion in order to self justify even further actions.
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Many people over look one of the deeper portions of the game and see only the surface 'war' (defined as physical attack to destroy units, or castle of another player). A LARGE part of Illy is the community and thus diplomacy is what this game is equally about. This is the part that flows beneath the surface of the game and keeps it moving. It is the secret blood of the Illy animal. Not many really understand the game because they leave this side out, which is like covering one of your own eyes - making you half blind.
What is right is typically right in the one who is describing their position, whether you agree or not. Truth is not relative, but opinions on what that truth might be, are.
This game has a FULL history of people making half baked claims to justify actions, and the truth is most often half the community will agree with you and half the other. Their are those rare events where everyone looks at you like you are the village idiot, though.. and those 'have' happened in the past.. and those alliances are no longer with us. (TMM is a good example)
Again, just stating that diplomacy is as equal a part of the game as war and peace.
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Southern Dwarf
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Joined: 28 Sep 2011
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:17 |
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Because I don't care about the economy. Actually I use the spells to help people and diplo for mysteries.
I got fun with building and magic. Do I need reasons aside from this?
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Also known as Afaslizo ingame.
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dunnoob
Postmaster
Joined: 10 Dec 2011
Location: Elijal
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Points: 800
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:16 |
This is a serious war game. I have the most fun with trading, because players with less than 100K troops, or less than 200K pop, or only two graduated commanders, have no business in "serious" wars, but I can see the light at the end of the long long newb-tunnel, "soon", next year.
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War game or not?