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hellion19 
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 Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 01:19 |
 belargyle wrote:
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Personally I like "The War of the coalitions" or even better - "The Great War" due to all the alliances involved.
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Could just go the normal route of WW1, WW2, etc. Since it seems the White war is probably WW1 we could say this is WW2 so would that make Jasche be Ribbentrop in the war? 
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Aurordan
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Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 00:15 |
Kumomoto wrote:
Aurordan-- you are counting the alliances that are fighting WE only as part of The Coalition. They aren't at war with all of Consone, only WE. When you correct that mistake, you see that Soup greatly outnumbers The Coalition... |
True to a point. If you subtract those alliances only at war with WE, but assume that their attacks on WE preclude it's participation against any other enemies, Consone comes out ~2 million ahead.
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 23:38 |
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Aurordan-- you are counting the alliances that are fighting WE only as part of The Coalition. They aren't at war with all of Consone, only WE. When you correct that mistake, you see that Soup greatly outnumbers The Coalition...
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The_Dude
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 22:34 |
Additional facts re: WE/RES ....
On November 26, 2011 WE attacked 2 RES cities.
13,850 Marshalls sent to Ursusprimal's only city at the time it was just 249 pop.
about 4K trueshots against my city, King Ranch.
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The_Dude
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 22:27 |
scaramouche wrote:
**** the only attempted siege i can recall was by a certain player called skorn who joined us recently before the said "siege".
the only notice any of our alliance got of this was himself saying in AC that a RES player had settled/exodused too close to him and he wasnt happy, but by then he had already sent the siege to which shortly after RES destroyed it.
very shortly after this he himself was discharged from our alliance for his actions.
no matter what way you try to spin it..he was dealt with in the only appropriate way that we could of done so. *** |
On October 15, 2012, WE member Skorn sieged RES member Harry Gihan's city Harrys Eei on the pretense that it was within 5 sqs of a WE city. In fact, it was over 8 sqs from the nearest WE city at that time.
Note re: Skorn: Skorn is an account that Jezma inherited from the original account holder in June 2010. I late summer 2012, Jezma passed Skorn to a newbie Mufridaz. On October 15, 2012 Murfridaz was WET not WE.
WE did not kick Skorn until October 20, 2012 - 5 days after the siege and 4 days AFTER RES had withdrawn from peace discussions and war was imminent. The only reason WE kicked Skorn at this late date was in a failed attempt to avert war. WET retained Mufridaz as a member until October 24, 2012 - kicking him 4 hours AFTER RES declared war on WE.
Additionally, WE attempted to pass the lie that Skorn recalled the siege voluntarily.
On November 1, 2012 VALAR invited Skorn to join them. On November 3, 2012 VALAR and WE Confed. On November 5, 2012 VALAR entered the war.
Skorn remains a member of Consone and is under Consone's protection. Arguing that the "kick" was appropriate and sufficient satisfaction to RES is absurd.
Edited by The_Dude - 06 Dec 2012 at 22:29
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Aurordan
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 22:21 |
Drejan wrote:
So this post is to say:1) Consone are not more than the Coalition, they are less becouse there are ghosts that we can't name not to summon them, or maybe this is a summoning not sure. 2) It's unfair for the Coalition to say that this is "the Consone war" 3) H? planned to kill the game
All right.... good to know...  |
My post? I think you're misunderstanding me. 1) I'm not commenting on the restless dead here. If you count the numbers, the Coal side has nearly 5 million more population than the Soup side. There is, empirically, more Coal than Soup. This is alliances that have declared war on one side or the other. 2) Dunno where you got this. All I said was it wasn't helpful for the rest of us if they proceed to fight more of them. 3) You don't have to think that was a good joke, but surely you realize it was in fact a joke? I was pretty sure it was blatantly obvious.
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The_Dude
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 22:12 |
scaramouche wrote:
***so shall I mention about an incident a good few months back where a certain RES player settled/exodused between two WE players, 8 squares from both cities and then claims sovereign on two high level dolmens, 2 squares from each of those cities?
where was the respect shown there? *** |
WE has never been good with facts.
Ratboy settled The Outpost on May 2, 2011. Gruntfuttock setteld 2. The Black Hole on June 6, 2011. Raylva settled Ye Old City on July 28, 2011.
As late as October, 2011, WE held itself out as a Regional Alliance in Western Perrigor and Northwestern Arran. Those named cities above are in Tor Carrock.
As to "respect", neither WE player had claimed the 2 Sovs of which you complain and had shown no interest in Sov until Ratboy made his claims. Unfortunately, RMY decided that she could bully RES and instead of working out a friendly transfer of the Sovs and developing a process for WE and RES to peacefully resolve disputes, she launched armies at Ratboy's armies in the field. RMY refused to ever correct that mistake. Eventually, WE acquired the 2 Sovs under the premise of 2 sq exclusive Sov which RES has respected since. However, WE has refused to extend RES that same "respect."
I will address your other factual errors separately.
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scaramouche
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 21:54 |
The_Dude wrote:
scaramouche wrote:
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...but there are always two sides to a story.
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Interesting spin from the fella that said he didn't care about the "why" anymore.  |
I dont understand your statement...i dont care...that doesnt detract from the fact there's always two sides to a story?
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NO..I dont do the Fandango!
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The_Dude
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 21:45 |
scaramouche wrote:
****...but there are always two sides to a story.
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Interesting spin from the fella that said he didn't care about the "why" anymore.
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scaramouche
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 21:40 |
KillerPoodle wrote:
scaramouche wrote:
KillerPoodle wrote:
If I were you - I would be wondering just why everyone seems to have a special grudge against WE and I'd be looking extra hard at the leadership.
I expect that they will say it's because everyone is a big meanie (or words to that effect) but I would hope some WE folk are smart enough to be wondering about whether the leaders are quite the victims they claim to be.
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TBH... i'm past caring about reasons why other alliances have a grudge against us...they do and no amount of wondering or looking at our leadership is gonna change things.
we so few stand against so many. |
I expect nothing less from someone who has so obviously swallowed so much koolaid its leaking from your eyeballs. I really hope the rest of WE has a more realistic and accurate view of the Illy world.
The truth is that most people do not dislike WE as an alliance - they merely dislike the specific players who don't care about respecting other players cities and space and the WE leaders who enable their irresponsible behavior.
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wow ...so many replies since i was away..but lets start here and maybe it may clarify TD's insinuations....im not really sure which incident TD is refering too, in my 2 years with this alliance the only attempted siege i can recall was by a certain player called skorn who joined us recently before the said "siege".
the only notice any of our alliance got of this was himself saying in AC that a RES player had settled/exodused too close to him and he wasnt happy, but by then he had already sent the siege to which shortly after RES destroyed it.
very shortly after this he himself was discharged from our alliance for his actions.
no matter what way you try to spin it..he was dealt with in the only appropriate way that we could of done so.
you talk of respecting other players space and big it up as if thats an important factor in land ownage, and you know what..i totally agree, so shall I mention about an incident a good few months back where a certain RES player settled/exodused between two WE players, 8 squares from both cities and then claims sovereign on two high level dolmens, 2 squares from each of those cities?
where was the respect shown there?
Tit for tat petty squabbling has always been between us and RES, god knows why because the dislike between these two alliances was evident before i even joined. I guess only the two leaders will know the true reasons, but they certainly aint saying why.
you only hear one sided tit bits from TD cos of your dislike for RMY...but there are always two sides to a story.
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