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KillerPoodle 
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 Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 08:03 |
 scaramouche wrote:
KillerPoodle wrote:
If I were you - I would be wondering just why everyone seems to have a special grudge against WE and I'd be looking extra hard at the leadership.
I expect that they will say it's because everyone is a big meanie (or words to that effect) but I would hope some WE folk are smart enough to be wondering about whether the leaders are quite the victims they claim to be.
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TBH... i'm past caring about reasons why other alliances have a grudge against us...they do and no amount of wondering or looking at our leadership is gonna change things.
we so few stand against so many. |
I expect nothing less from someone who has so obviously swallowed so much koolaid its leaking from your eyeballs. I really hope the rest of WE has a more realistic and accurate view of the Illy world. The truth is that most people do not dislike WE as an alliance - they merely dislike the specific players who don't care about respecting other players cities and space and the WE leaders who enable their irresponsible behavior.
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Mr Damage
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 08:03 |
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LOJ you are better than that, you know full well who is supporting Coal, if you aren't prepared to make it public, so be it, just don't claim to be in the minority with regards to numbers. I have always found you a reasonable person irrespective of our opposing stances, lets keep things on those lines and agree to disagree, so who else is declaring?
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Deranzin
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 08:28 |
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Mr Damage wrote:
As I mentioned to Kumo in GC yesterday, there's a few more than that on Coal's team, pop. wise Coal is about 5mill ahead of us Soup folk. |
Please refrain from saying such or provide evidence to support your assertion.
Stating 'Im not going to argue this' does not give you free reign to make unjustified claims implying they have any truth.
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Indeed ... and to keep to the topic, I have to say that I will never stop being "amazed" by the tendency of human beings in every strata of life to convert within their minds their beliefs to self-proven and self-evident facts and then wonder why other people need logical arguments to converse with them and complain that noone understands them.
How much easier it would have been for the OP to declare that you, you and you stop beating around the bushes and come out openly and state your intentions. That would have been useful and it would have contained enough facts to actually hold some water for future reference and generate a good discussion.
Now all we have is a topic much like an oracle's vague mumblings, predicting obscure calamities and woes that should they actually come to pass he will claim to have predicted them and, if not, then he will claim to have scared them away. Predictably, noone can actually discuss rationally such a topic so everything degenerates into the usual war squable where some people get to play the "helpless victim" act (again with vague and totally fact-free posts) to the delight of the onlookers ...
Oooooooooold trick ... old as the mountains ...
Mr Damage wrote:
LOJ you are better than that, you know full well who is supporting Coal, if you aren't prepared to make it public, so be it, |
It is YOUR claim, so YOU have to prove it and "go public" with it else it is just slander ... 
Edited by Deranzin - 06 Dec 2012 at 08:32
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Mr Damage
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 09:07 |
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Deranzin, in case you missed GC, my point was that in my opinion, any alliance that has committed troops against Soup cities since the beginning of the war can be considered as assisting Coal in the war effort and by and large on the side of Coal, the reasons for their participation is irrelevant. It is not just 4 alliances fighting Consone, you are happy to treat us a one group when making negative comment about Consone so be consistent when viewing our argument against them. WE are part of Consone, more than 4 alliances have declared on WE, more than 4 alliances are fighting Consone in this war, if you can't admit that then fine, slander it is. Declare yourselves.
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Deranzin
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 09:23 |
Mr Damage wrote:
Deranzin, in case you missed GC, my point was that in my opinion, any alliance that has committed troops against Soup cities since the beginning of the war can be considered as assisting Coal in the war effort and by and large on the side of Coal, the reasons for their participation is irrelevant. |
I'll be happy to acknowledge that IF you became more specific and actually proved your claim.
A battle report would have been nice as a solid proof, but I'd like to hear who are all those mysterious alliances that are against you.
If what you say is NOT slander, then what are you afraid of since you will be speaking what you think is true .?.
I say that this consistent vagueness about these things speaks volumes on how valid/true your claims are ...
| It is not just 4 alliances fighting Consone, you are happy to treat us a one group when making negative comment about Consone so be consistent when viewing our argument against them. |
Consone is an official organisation with known members and therefore can be analysed and one can offer his opinion about it.
Your "ghost alliances" participating are just that : ghosts which only you know who they are so how could anyone else offer any opinion on the matter.
| WE are part of Consone, more than 4 alliances have declared on WE, more than 4 alliances are fighting Consone in this war, if you can't admit that then fine, slander it is. Declare yourselves. |
I think that many Consone members have pointed out that their alliances and Consone are not one and the same ...
Also those alliances are fighting only against WE, as far as I know, else why hasn't Consone declared war against them as a WHOLE like you claim here .?.
Please decide whether you are ONE or not instead of arbitrarily using either case depending one what is in your best of interest at any given moment ...
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Mr Damage
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 10:47 |
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Forget it, lets not waste any more time discussing it here, IGM me if you wish to continue, maybe you can answer one of your own questions and tell me which alliances contributed to breaking the last siege on Capello's town and also make up your mind definitively on how you are going to promote Consone with regards to your last paragraph, it cant be both ways for you either. Lets get on with the declarations.
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Southern Dwarf
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 11:05 |
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I herebly declare that I am tired of your insulting manners which contradict the quite more civil nature of Illy compared to other browser games. Since this game is based in good old England drink tea and have cookies together and continue to talk about the weather aka known as rain and fog and behave like gentle(wo)men.
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Also known as Afaslizo ingame.
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twilights
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 11:30 |
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it could be that this game has war as part of the strategy but maybe that is too logical explanation
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Deranzin
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 12:09 |
Mr Damage wrote:
Forget it, lets not waste any more time discussing it here, IGM me if you wish to continue, maybe you can answer one of your own questions and tell me which alliances contributed to breaking the last siege on Capello's town and also make up your mind definitively on how you are going to promote Consone with regards to your last paragraph, it cant be both ways for you either. Lets get on with the declarations. |
You want me to give the answers to YOUR allegations you are unwilling to back up, plus as a bonus you also want me to deal with your double standards on what Consone is everytime things get tough .?.
Do you want french fries with that too .?. 
Either Consone acts as ONE and declares war to all those ghost alliances you have in mind OR the wars against WE are just that ... wars against WE only ... you can't have both ...
And sorry, I am sending no IGMs either ... you came here and made a PUBLIC announcement, so you should defend it publicly, as well. (edit : and this applies to the OP, as well)
We are awaiting for your facts.  (edit : this one too)
Edited by Deranzin - 06 Dec 2012 at 12:11
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Darkwords
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Posted: 06 Dec 2012 at 12:45 |
Deranzin wrote:
Consone is an official organisation with known members and therefore can be analysed and one can offer his opinion about it. |
So Consone is a single entity denoted by membership?
Deranzin wrote:
I think that many Consone members have pointed out that their alliances and Consone are not one and the same ... |
Wait... So if your alliance is in Consone, you are NOT a member of Consone???
Deranzin wrote:
Please decide whether you are ONE or not instead of arbitrarily using either case depending one what is in your best of interest at any given moment ... |
There is an age old saying which goes.... "Practice what you preach".
Gotto say as a neutral party in this, your post hardly makes you or Consone appear as righteous or even trustworthy.
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