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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2010 at 02:13
Mmm.
To be honest the war began before military units (big armies) were bashing eachother HM.

It began when both parties were sending diplomatic attacks to eachother.
And H? began a magic offensive against White.
We were watching the Magic ranking and few members of H? were getting higher and higher and our private forums were filled with Magic "attacks".

It seems like your post are saying it all started suddenly, White attacking H?
Just stating the facts here.


Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:


I still have yet to decide how I personally feel about many of the participants in this war, let alone what public influence I should exert against them.  So if my public prodding feels deceptive or manipulative, I apologize.  My past experience with opponents in war has primarily involved raving mouth-breathers more comparable to deductively-challenged conspiracy theorists than anyone deserving of professional courtesy...this is not a line I've previously needed to identify, and that sentence was not used with great care.


You are putting too much of your personal feelings about the war in this thread.
This already caused a derailing of the thread a bit too much.

I am not saying that some things you are saying isnt true.
But you are giving your feelings too much of a go in this thread.


Edited by Wuzzel - 12 Jun 2010 at 02:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2010 at 03:08
I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to say whatever I like, aside from false accusations against real people as covered by libel legislation, hate speech, the rules of this forum, etc.  I can and will speak frankly and personally, and the readers may take that as they will.

If you really want to get into this, you're welcome to start another thread.  It's quite possible even you are not privy to some of the incidents that indeed set war in motion long before the first major military clash.  But my solitary side remark was a trifling matter even if a little careless.  I did not spark this derailing, nor would I have classified it as one before you decided you must have the last word in here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2010 at 03:36
Did i say you are not allowed to voice your opinion?
I didnt and i dont know where you get that from.

I am saying you are making this thread into a White vs H thread.
You may give an example offcourse, but you are going way to deep with your posts.
Maybe you should make a own thread about what you posted in this thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2010 at 18:29
Well I did not mean this to be another conflict zones for white and H?.  Well another point is that in my experience in other games. Quite often bigger alliances are attacking smaller alliances. In cover of neutrality sometimes partly not fully engaging.  Also smaller alliances are not keen to declare war. As it is then seen as the aggressor and also don't wan't to escalate the situation.

 It would be much clearer and fairer for individual players when the war would be started automatically and your village could not been destroyed during night with out no one even noticing. The sieging is not so fast in this game but anyway. Well they have promised more data and graphs.. that fixes some of the problem. but I rather have it less mechanics based and more in the game world related. Maybe its taste question..    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2010 at 19:21
Perhaps it is a matter of taste.  I prefer to see as much as possible left to human attention to detail, allowing a more fluid nuance of viewpoints which doesn't authoritatively pigeonhole situations into discrete states.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2010 at 22:29
Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

Perhaps it is a matter of taste.  I prefer to see as much as possible left to human attention to detail, allowing a more fluid nuance of viewpoints which doesn't authoritatively pigeonhole situations into discrete states.
Agreed. The less the game relies on automated functions and the more on the ability of the players the better it is. There are so many games out there which require so very little skill because everything is determined by the program, asides from which button are pressed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2010 at 12:09
Is there not already a way to make a war official? for exemple if you look the White alliance page u can see they have a war with Ni in their relationships part.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2010 at 12:40
Yes there is. What were saying is that not everyone for various reasons presses the war button and therefor officially "declares" war, thus it is hard to keep up with who is at war with who because even though people are acting in a way is 100% like war, it has not been declared. 

For instance in the current [H?] vs war, the war hasn't been officially declared. As far as I can see this is mostly for publicity reasons. [H?] is, or at least says it is (I'm not giving my own opinion on the matter), a friendly alliance dedicated to helping younger rulers (players) develop their civilizations and prosper - it looks bad if this friendly, harmless (pun intended, even though it was a bad one) alliance is declaring war, so they don't. is, or at least says it is (again no personal opinion of mine here), or seems to be, a 'neutral' alliance that only acts to defend it's members and when it is payed to, also if you believe some propaganda and rumours being spread they want to make [H?] look evil - so if their declaring war instead of the evil oppressive alliance it makes them look power hungry and ruins their neutral mercenary-only image.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2010 at 14:10
A few months ago, when you were in an alliance, you couldnt attack other people who were in another alliance.

First you had to declare war at the target alliance and wait 24hours before any hostilites (military) could happen between the 2 warring alliances.

See:

http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/alliance-changes-heads-up_topic141_post1279.html


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2010 at 15:40
Ok i understand better now. For me too it's a good thing if alliances can make a war official or not. I think it should'nt change because, as we can see in this topic, it's good for the roleplay.
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