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Poll Question: How do you believe land claims will change Illyriad?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
30 [41.10%]
23 [31.51%]
2 [2.74%]
1 [1.37%]
11 [15.07%]
0 [0.00%]
4 [5.48%]
2 [2.74%]
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gragnog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2015 at 18:07
Forum arguments is the correct answer because that is all it ever has been since this game started. Land claims have been around since it started, only difference is someone has now made a map out of it in BL. The fact that it limits new settlement is a weak argument because the way the game has been played in the past limited settlement anyway. People are just trying to make an issue out of it now to keep the current conflict going. And I say RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!! At least it is not farmville for some of us now.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brandmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2015 at 18:01
I find it interesting that with 40 responses, nobody thought that the strongest effect would be tournament scoring.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angrim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2015 at 17:22
Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

Corwin, you might be surprised at how many forum dwellers will post only to express their complete distaste for posting.
or in some cases, for others posting.  ;)


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Diva Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2015 at 16:32
The poll only distributes what really should be 2 questions. I doubt a true poll exists the way it is.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brandmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2015 at 15:27
Thexion, I felt that framing the poll as support vs against land claims would have led immediately to unproductive propaganda.

Corwin, you might be surprised at how many forum dwellers will post only to express their complete distaste for posting.

Bobtron, to date I know of no rare minerals, plants, or animals that are exclusive to claimed areas. Everything available in the Broken Lands is also available in Elgea, and there are very few highly concentrated resources like black bears and Arterium.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Corwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2015 at 15:12
the 4th option won't ever be voted for because everyone who thinks that way won't vote. So with less then 30 votes overall, the large majority of the playerbase thinks all this forum crap about land claims is "much ado about nothing"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thexion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2015 at 12:34
I support land claims and I am against land claims would be better options. Those all are true in some sense and its matter of opinion is it bad or good. If you think activity and friction are good then settling problems are fine..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2015 at 07:35
Illyriad is a sandbox, but none of us are "only" children.  We all share this world.  How we go about sharing it, who should have what privileges, and how those matters should be decided have thus far made for a complex metagame.  Land claims are just one aspect of this.

I would expect these questions will continue to be negotiated for as long as Illyriad exists.  For some people, that's part of the fun of the game.  Other people don't care.  There's room for everyone in Illy.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bobtron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2015 at 07:12
The following is my personal opinion and is not representative of Alizes' stance on land claims:

While land claims do restrict settlement options of incoming players, land is basically the same everywhere (with terraforming). The way I see it, the problem with land claims is not with the land itself, but with the natural resources that come along with it. Quite a few species of animals, and their drops, are only native to their respective biomes. Same goes for rare herbs and rare minerals. If an alliance claims parts of one of these 'unique' biomes they will take strategic control of the biome's resources. For example, Deathmongers[Death] have claimed 1/4 of Pawanallpa, restricting access to rare animal parts dropped by Giant Snakes, Pumas, Fire Salamanders, Elephants, Rhinoceros, Massive Scarab Beetles, .etc.

The effects of the control of these rare resources can be significant. Centrum prices may rise, as these land claimers capitalize on those resource. As new traders cannot settle near the rare resources anymore, they would be forced to rely on other players that settled in the biome before the land claim was established, or buy those rare resources at hugely inflated prices, or find a different source of those rare resources, or be forced to risk a multiday hunting expedition into the biome and hope that it does not get slaughtered, whether by roaming wild animals, or by other players.

True, the above paragraph may be a "slippery slope" fallacy. Yet we are only in the early days of land claiming. Who knows what could happen?

As land claims do not forbid harvesting (as of the writing of this post), as a solution, the devs could implement an multi-day expeditionary hunting system where armies accompanied with skinners could make several kills in a claimed area. But I do not see that happening in the foreseeable future.

Therefore, I believe that land claims will negatively affect settlement options, and subsequently, the resources near them. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Artefore Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2015 at 06:34
I feel like multiple options are true.  Land claims will obviously affect settlement options negatively, because there will simply be less space for players outside of the land claims to settle in.  That's not really disputable.  They'll also contribute to stronger regional alliances, because new alliance members will naturally settle within the claim.  So both are true.  
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