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"Dots, we gave you an out to save 2 of your cities, with no future hostilities (unless provoked) and will accept you going back into Valar AFTER peace was established." ---> Yeah, you're so merciful, I'll be grateful for the rest of my life. Big smile
" You know as well as those others, if Dlord is at 'war' with an alliance and your choose not to leave, and we turn our eye on you, you will be hit quickly and openly irregardless of if you did something or not." ---> yes, exactly what I wanted to point out (thanks for your clear and concise definition): your bullying style (or not, every player reading this will decide by himself) because, you know, war can be declared also on a bunch of excuses
"what is up with the whole Martyr complex thing :) Please.. who else is under attack? What other person is going to be attacked? if they were targeted, they would have already been hit, just like you, good-buddy, moreblue4u2 (when he moved into Valar to aid them), and others as well" ---> who told me that any other VALAR is risking an attack? ehm... let me think... really difficult question... ehm... ummmm... YEAH!! HOW COULD I FORGET?? YES... do you remember these sentences?
 
"4. For this cessation to occur earlier, or for a particular player to remove themselves from risk of attack, each individual player and the whole of Valar have been given the option of leaving Valar or declaring their wholehearted acceptance of the terms of the "coalition" as an alliance as a whole."
 
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"You would have us stop attacking someone who INSISTS on remaining with an alliance we are at war with? This would leave us open to attacks from this account."
 
I can help: HighSomething Flipper on page 19 and 22 of this thread, you can check if you want
 
Greetings to you, High (Arrogant) Something Belargyle from dlord (or should I say dbullies?)
 
your preferred "logical and strategically dangerous target" "good drama act giver" "martyr" (I love using your definitions, I've searched for a long time somebody that could understand me so deeply... I think I'm falling in love with you)
 
 
ehm... I was joking, I'm not falling in love with you Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 23:20
Man can rarely benefit from arrogance. In most cases it backfire in his face.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 23:13
Dots, we gave you an out to save 2 of your cities, with no future hostilities (unless provoked) and will accept you going back into Valar AFTER peace was established. You have opt'ed out of that, thus 2 of those sieges will continue their course. Due to reinforcement coming into those cities, it will be on these towns alone our ceasing from military action will be lifted. We tried to give you an EASY out but alas.. you chose to throw it in our teeth.  The choice was yours.
You stated:
"I don't want to save my account nor I need your attacks to stop, it doesn' matter. That's NOT MY GOAL. "
 
Good cause it was nor is our goal.
 
You also stated:
"I want only to show who dlord are:
a. H never attacked me (I had only a couple of feints from them) also during war, probably because they never found my name in military reports"
 
Wrong, you were by us and so you fell to us to deal with and since you are BY us, specifically for the war, you are in fact a threat regardless of what you did or did not do. THough if H? wanted you removed they would, in point of interest, done much more.
 
You state:
 " b. peace talks (even if formally there's war) are ongoing"
 
But peace has not officially been reached. There has been no coalition declared cease fire.
Dlord will back out tomorrow of the war but all on going operations, with respect to your 2 cities, will continue till their ends have been reached since they were enacted prior.
 
You stated:
"c. H stopped every operation, even if there's war with them
and you keep attacking with nobody attacking you. THERE IS WAR ONLY BECAUSE YOU'RE ATTACKING.
However, if it's dlord's way of thinking, that's it. Other players will decide on their own what to think about you and your minions.
My opinion is that your way of acting is not a problem for me, it's for Illyriad."
 
H? has not stopped every operation but in fact will continue on till the 10th and their CURRENT operations are fulfilled. Make sure your facts are correct. There is a war because NO PEACE has been reached as of yet because all aspects required have not been reached. What we have, in essense, is a slowing down or calming, to see if it continues until peace is reached.
 
You opinions are about as informed as your facts, little. However our way of thinking is simple and has always been such, as it is the very same with much of the leadership of Illy. IF we are at war, we continue till the war is over, or a cease fire has been agreed upon, not stop when it seems it is almost over but you're still waiting to see if your requirements are met. We have backed off a great deal on Valar over the last week. Additionally, we have attacked many others in this engagement than just you.
 
You also stated:
"2. "For this cessation to occur earlier, or for a particular player to remove themselves from risk of attack, each individual player and the whole of Valar have been given the option of leaving Valar or declaring their wholehearted acceptance of the terms of the "coalition" as an alliance as a whole." ---> So if I leave, you'll stop attacking me, but what about others that will remain in VALAR? No thanks, I prefer to remain here and avoid the same to others. I'm still quite big so perhaps it will take time to bring me down..."
 
LOL.. what is up with the whole Martyr complex thing :) Please.. who else will be under attack?  What other person is going to be attacked? if they were targeted, they would have already been hit, just like you, good-buddy, moreblue4u2 (when he moved into Valar to aid them), and others as well. No, your over-sensationalism or dramatic over-acting of the issue, which you have now chosen, has nothing to do with others nor your supposed care for them but simply give us a good drama act. You know as well as those others we engaged, if Dlord is at 'war' with an alliance and you choose not to leave said alliance, and we turn our eyes on you, you will be hit quickly and openly.
 
You finally stated:
"Sloter, unfotunately I cannot accept your kind and gentle offering because it probably will mean new attacks on the rest of VALAR. A lot of them immediately sent reinforcements to me without fearing possible attacks from dlord or H (before HM's post). I would be a traitor."
 
That is sad to hear. Vic offered what you KNEW was a legit offer (made in conjunction with Dlord) and turned it down.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 23:11
Originally posted by dots dots wrote:

hey kilo,
somebody asked your opinion?

what opinion? that's a fact dude, get real.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 22:46
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hey kilo,
somebody asked your opinion?


Let it go Dot. He's just being a jerk and trying to provoke you. It is Belargyle's opinion that counts. Kilo is nothing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 22:34
hey kilo,
somebody asked your opinion?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 22:15
Originally posted by dots dots wrote:

First of all, I'm speaking for myself and not for/on behalf of/etc of any of the VALAR. I forgot to underline in last 2 posts and I'm sorry for this. Moreover, none of them is informed about this post.
I strongly suggest to Cristina and Kurdurk to kick me off if something I'll say may create problems to VALAR

I have some observations to flipper's posts

1. "Complaints should not be issued through the forum but directly ingame to DLords leaders - ALL leaders (there's 4 of us). Anything else is just showboating and pure political maneuvering by grand-standers seeking public attention or false sympathy." ---> I'm not complaining about anything and I don't need public attention (hint: as noted by somebody, my forum account has just been created and this is my 4th post in almost 15 months of Illyriad, quite easy to understand I'm not searching attention... or not?).

2. "You would have us stop attacking someone who INSISTS on remaining with an alliance we are at war with? This would leave us open to attacks from this account." ---> As I said, I'm accepting all the losses I'm taking with no problem: I don't want to save my account nor I need your attacks to stop, it doesn' matter. That's NOT MY GOAL. I want only to show who dlord are:
  a. H never attacked me (I had only a couple of feints from them) also during war, probably because they never found my name in military reports
  b. peace talks (even if formally there's war) are ongoing
  c. H stopped every operation, even if there's war with them
and you keep attacking with nobody attacking you. THERE IS WAR ONLY BECAUSE YOU'RE ATTACKING.
However, if it's dlord's way of thinking, that's it. Other players will decide on their own what to think about you and your minions.
My opinion is that your way of acting is not a problem for me, it's for Illyriad.

2. "For this cessation to occur earlier, or for a particular player to remove themselves from risk of attack, each individual player and the whole of Valar have been given the option of leaving Valar or declaring their wholehearted acceptance of the terms of the "coalition" as an alliance as a whole." ---> So if I leave, you'll stop attacking me, but what about others that will remain in VALAR? No thanks, I prefer to remain here and avoid the same to others. I'm still quite big so perhaps it will take time to bring me down...

Sloter, unfotunately I cannot accept your kind and gentle offering because it probably will mean new attacks on the rest of VALAR. A lot of them immediately sent reinforcements to me without fearing  possible attacks from dlord or H (before HM's post). I would be a traitor.

However let me say I love your engagement rules exposed in Jasche's post

Waiting for dlord next attack,

I salute Your HighSomething Belargyle and HighSomethingElse Flipper


hey large ham, yer just a war causality.
most sorry to tell you this but i personally couldn't care less about yer opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 21:39
First of all, I'm speaking for myself and not for/on behalf of/etc of any of the VALAR. I forgot to underline in last 2 posts and I'm sorry for this. Moreover, none of them is informed about this post.
I strongly suggest to Cristina and Kurdurk to kick me off if something I'll say may create problems to VALAR

I have some observations to flipper's posts

1. "Complaints should not be issued through the forum but directly ingame to DLords leaders - ALL leaders (there's 4 of us). Anything else is just showboating and pure political maneuvering by grand-standers seeking public attention or false sympathy." ---> I'm not complaining about anything and I don't need public attention (hint: as noted by somebody, my forum account has just been created and this is my 4th post in almost 15 months of Illyriad, quite easy to understand I'm not searching attention... or not?).

2. "You would have us stop attacking someone who INSISTS on remaining with an alliance we are at war with? This would leave us open to attacks from this account." ---> As I said, I'm accepting all the losses I'm taking with no problem: I don't want to save my account nor I need your attacks to stop, it doesn' matter. That's NOT MY GOAL. I want only to show who dlord are:
  a. H never attacked me (I had only a couple of feints from them) also during war, probably because they never found my name in military reports
  b. peace talks (even if formally there's war) are ongoing
  c. H stopped every operation, even if there's war with them
and you keep attacking with nobody attacking you. THERE IS WAR ONLY BECAUSE YOU'RE ATTACKING.
However, if it's dlord's way of thinking, that's it. Other players will decide on their own what to think about you and your minions.
My opinion is that your way of acting is not a problem for me, it's for Illyriad.

2. "For this cessation to occur earlier, or for a particular player to remove themselves from risk of attack, each individual player and the whole of Valar have been given the option of leaving Valar or declaring their wholehearted acceptance of the terms of the "coalition" as an alliance as a whole." ---> So if I leave, you'll stop attacking me, but what about others that will remain in VALAR? No thanks, I prefer to remain here and avoid the same to others. I'm still quite big so perhaps it will take time to bring me down...

Sloter, unfotunately I cannot accept your kind and gentle offering because it probably will mean new attacks on the rest of VALAR. A lot of them immediately sent reinforcements to me without fearing  possible attacks from dlord or H (before HM's post). I would be a traitor.

However let me say I love your engagement rules exposed in Jasche's post

Waiting for dlord next attack,

I salute Your HighSomething Belargyle and HighSomethingElse Flipper

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 20:03
Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

Qaal Smile I assume you have no knowledge of the other actions still ongoing.. that is fine as you seem to have limited knowledge of what is going on.
 
But yes.. we are not the only ones.
 
 
**that better Flipper Tongue

lol, and fair enough. No doubt I walked right into that one. Reading "We're attacking a defeated enemy because..." got the better of my judgement. Always more happening than meets the eye.

I imagine peace will be considerably easier to implement now that the attacks have stopped.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 19:46
Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:


However Dlord is listening and watching...
We are not deaf to what is going on around us or here, nor are we blind to what is being written/said.
We are not sending anymore attacks, diplo or military..  But what is in motion will continue till peace is reached or we recall them at our own choosing. 



Elsewhere today in the Thread titled "Game Off" HonoredMule has signalled an end to fresh attacks and stated that all hostilities will be ended by the 10th October.

If CristinaZah is to be given plaudits for her transparency in bringing a step closer then those who spoke up for Dot today have moved this process another step in the right direction.

I hope that all alliances will now just cease any hostile action and that there be no further delays in negotiation. It should be clear to all concerned by now that the community by and large do not support this war and want hostilities to end! Now ! Today!

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