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StJude
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Joined: 12 Jun 2011
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 20:02 |
Kilotov of DokGthung wrote:
StJude wrote:
How much money have you spent on purchasing prestige? |
hear hear, who dares to play the prestige card! now really, prestige-holics like you cant blame anyone...
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This is typically why I am more in favor of newbie wars, at that stage, the construction costs in terms of time are not as high and so the purchase of prestige is less than it would be later.
In this case, the player in question has a significantly sized city and has more than likely spent real money to achieve that level.
Now, they are on the losing side and at the "mercy" of their enemies who seem to have none.
Edited by StJude - 07 Oct 2011 at 20:04
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Kilotov of DokGthung
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 19:58 |
StJude wrote:
How much money have you spent on purchasing prestige? |
hear hear, who dares to play the prestige card! now really, prestige-holics like you cant blame anyone...
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StJude
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 19:38 |
Drejan wrote:
I should not post in this forum, i'm not a diplomat and this is the "Politics & Diplomacy" forum, but since most of the people who write here are random player with little information and lot of time to waste in flames i'll just do my SINGLE reply. I've seen wars between two players with more city sieged and razed than what all Dlord have done in this war... we could have razed lot lot more if not for CristinaZah (btw thank you for your work and sorry if all of this has made your duties harder). I'm sorry for dots's cities (if it's dots who is writing) but he has not been sieged out of the game at all. For a world war this was a joke so please stop flaming and talking of bullies. I wish new Valars the best luck.
Drejan
PS this is just me, it may or may not rappresent the Dlord point of view.
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How much money have you spent on purchasing prestige?
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Drejan
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Joined: 30 Sep 2010
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Points: 234
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 19:00 |
I should not post in this forum, i'm not a diplomat and this is the "Politics & Diplomacy" forum, but since most of the people who write here are random player with little information and lot of time to waste in flames i'll just do my SINGLE reply. I've seen wars between two players with more city sieged and razed than what all Dlord have done in this war... we could have razed lot lot more if not for CristinaZah (btw thank you for your work and sorry if all of this has made your duties harder). I'm sorry for dots's cities (if it's dots who is writing) but he has not been sieged out of the game at all. For a world war this was a joke so please stop flaming and talking of bullies. I wish new Valars the best luck.
Drejan
PS this is just me, it may or may not rappresent the Dlord point of view.
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Kilotov of DokGthung
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 16:04 |
Truth wrote:
BULLY
1. A person who is habitually cruel or overbearing, especially to smaller or weaker people. 2. A hired ruffian; a thug.
1. To treat in an overbearing or intimidating manner. See Synonyms at intimidate. 2. To make (one's way) aggressively.
1. To behave like a bully. 2. To force one's way aggressively or by intimidation: -freedictionary.com
DLords is very much acting like the bully in this matter. Take a look at this... If DLords REALLY wanted diplomacy and wanted to stop all hostilities onto Valar there would be no attacks sent by DLords. Keep in mind Valar has stopped all attacks for awhile now. This is nothing more than a bully beatdown against an opponent that is weaker and in shambles.
Too achieve true diplomacy, one does not attack for the hell of it. Both sides stop hostilities till a resolution can be resolved. The only thing this bully does is make the player (dots) bitter. In fact, the bully keeps on the attacks to bait that player to say things that offends them so they can continue the attacks.
DLords is what I would call a bad example of how to handle diplomacy in a war. What you have here, is an arrogant leader that does not see any faults his or his alliance mates has done. Moreover, the leaders of DLords are already ashamed by what has been revealed, thus why flipper would rather it be sent by IGM mails than on the forums. Horrible deeds like this should be known to the public.
I feel DLords are nothing but vultures. They let all of their confederation do all the dirty work while once the enemy has been beaten, they go for the leftovers and kill as they please.
Basically all I am seeing right now is a gang of 20 year olds beating down a 10 year old for fun and laughs. The gang may or may not have given terms to the 10 year old to stop the beat down. The terms were so bad that the 10 year old would not agree to them.
This is more or less the winner's killing innocent citizens in a conquered village just for the sake they have no opposition to stop them.
dots, do realize that you are not the first person in Illyriad that has experienced this. You were right to come out and tell your side of the story. Anytime a person is abused, it is their right to let who ever they want to know what happened. It is the abused way of dealing with the pain of unjustified rape.
I feel it is time that either I or someone else creates a website forum for all the players that have experienced the abuse by the bullies in this game. The winners of any war will be able to tell their side of the story in this forum by fear and power. However, I feel it is time for the losers of the war to get their fair shake on this. A website dedicated for the losers of the war to tell their truth on the events that has happened in the game of Illyriad.
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may shut up and present us whit your ingame name? ignorant child, you know nothing about us. you delirium i had to read is but the product of your deviated imagination and the ignorance about us. a person is abused? you abuse my eyes whit this mass of hysterical nonsense. be gone.
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Uther
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 16:03 |
DLORDS takes or removes a strategic city (in their opinion) during a declared war and they are bullies?
VALAR were the bullies that finally got their comeuppance in this war and just like most bullies, as soon as they got a punch in the nose they curled up in a ball and cried.
Rape?! Really? Going to stay with that word for this?
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Truth
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Joined: 07 Oct 2011
Location: Truth
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 15:53 |
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BULLY
1. A person who is habitually cruel or overbearing, especially to smaller or weaker people. 2. A hired ruffian; a thug.
1. To treat in an overbearing or intimidating manner. See Synonyms at intimidate. 2. To make (one's way) aggressively.
1. To behave like a bully. 2. To force one's way aggressively or by intimidation: -freedictionary.com
DLords is very much acting like the bully in this matter. Take a look at this... If DLords REALLY wanted diplomacy and wanted to stop all hostilities onto Valar there would be no attacks sent by DLords. Keep in mind Valar has stopped all attacks for awhile now. This is nothing more than a bully beatdown against an opponent that is weaker and in shambles.
Too achieve true diplomacy, one does not attack for the hell of it. Both sides stop hostilities till a resolution can be resolved. The only thing this bully does is make the player (dots) bitter. In fact, the bully keeps on the attacks to bait that player to say things that offends them so they can continue the attacks.
DLords is what I would call a bad example of how to handle diplomacy in a war. What you have here, is an arrogant leader that does not see any faults his or his alliance mates has done. Moreover, the leaders of DLords are already ashamed by what has been revealed, thus why flipper would rather it be sent by IGM mails than on the forums. Horrible deeds like this should be known to the public.
I feel DLords are nothing but vultures. They let all of their confederation do all the dirty work while once the enemy has been beaten, they go for the leftovers and kill as they please.
Basically all I am seeing right now is a gang of 20 year olds beating down a 10 year old for fun and laughs. The gang may or may not have given terms to the 10 year old to stop the beat down. If the terms were given, they were so bad that the 10 year old could not agree to them.
This is more or less the winner's of a war, killing innocent citizens in a conquered village just for the sake they have no opposition to stop them.
dots, do realize that you are not the first person in Illyriad that has experienced this. You were right to come out and tell your side of the story. Anytime a person is abused, it is their right to let who ever they want to know what happened. It is the abused way of dealing with the pain of unjustified rape.
I feel it is time that either I or someone else creates a website forum for all the players that have experienced the abuse by the bullies in this game. The winners of any war will be able to tell their side of the story in this forum by fear and power. However, I feel it is time for the losers of the war to get their fair shake on this. A website dedicated for the losers of the war to tell their truth on the events that has happened in the game of Illyriad.
Edited by Truth - 07 Oct 2011 at 16:01
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Mr Damage
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 12:08 |
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Its simple, generally it is accepted in the community that the war is over, those attacking and counter attacking can justify it however they like, it does not help resolve the issues on the table and I doubt most see it as in the best interests of what is currently being worked on.
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dots
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Joined: 06 Oct 2011
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 11:30 |
OMG, I hope your post is a try to confuse things and you don't really believe what you're saying. However, nice to see you won't say anything new. I'm getting tired to restate things said multiple times. Once again: 1. as stated from my first message (at page 18), I'm posting your attacks from 04 october when a substantial peace (note that this term implies that there were exceptions) began thanks to Cristina and Kurdruk's work + the kindness of other alliances. The only exception is dlord. 2. I consider everything before 04 october as war, so anything is a fair game. The first report you posted is dated 27 september, during the war. The point you are continuosly missing (on purpose, to confuse things? we'll never know) is the TIMING OF THE ATTACKS. Let me explain: before 04 october there is a declared war, after a substantial peace so, attacks before are ok, after perhaps not (everyone one will judge by him/herself). You and flipper clearly expressed your opinion: you'll attack everybody you're at war with, indipendentely if you did something or not. Moreover all VALAR risk to be attacked if you only put your eyes on them (more info at my first post on page 24) 3. I started to post with the only goal to make all the players know your behaviour after 04 october and let them make their own opinion about you and me (see my post at page 23). Complaining, attract sympathies, save my cities or account has never been a goal. 4. the state of my armies at 04 october is 0 in every town and few hundreds in gg, that you forgot to attack. Maybe the second report is showing this (don't know, you forgot to post the date. Again, timing is important). As stated my cities are almost completely stuck by pop levels and cannot produce anything. 5. I used part of them to defend one city in the last 2-3 days. Now there are 200 in gg and will be used to defend a bit, if u attack. Must I disband them not to be a liar? you are quite ridicolous Everybody is invited 1. to scout my city gg (or any other) to check by themselves the number of my troops 2. ask for reports demonstrating what I said
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Celebcalen
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 11:23 |
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This is all very sad
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