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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 21:13
Originally posted by The_Dude The_Dude wrote:

I do NOT speak for anyone but me, SJ.  There is no "court".  You have admitted that you want the freedom to fight any alliance anytime for no reason than your own pleasure.  VALAR championed you on that position.  That would be the precipitating event (i.e., straw that broke the camel's back) for the current war.  That's troublemaker enough in my book.  The "no mercy" thing is some fiction you created from whole cloth - a specialty of yours, I have come to learn.

Uno, no serious negotiations ever occur publicly.  If there are VALAR members that want out of the war, the first step is the easiest...you will find it on your alliance page, the button is labeled "Quit Alliance".  If you are unwilling to quit, then you have chosen to follow your leaders.  Which means more blood.


Agreed, I'm getting tired of people from Valar coming into GC claiming ignorance and asking why Valar is under attack. If they don't know why their alliance is under attack then they probably shouldn't stay in that alliance. If Valar is truly seeking peace, GC or these forums is not the place for it. Terms and discussions should take place in mail between Valar leadership and Coalition leadership, unless the Coalition chooses a single person to represent them all.

This war isn't just going to end because. The Coalition has a motive and a goal, and it is not necessary to bring that forward to us, the public. If any members on either side of the war do not wish to participate, then I suggest you take TDs advice and quit your alliance. Otherwise hush up, suck it up, put up your dukes and fight to the end.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 21:10
TD, I have a lot of respect for you, but I welcome any overture from Valar members interested in peace.  Let's keep up the dialogue.  Thanks to Llyorn for acknowledging Cristina's request.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 21:07
I have no authority to speak on behalf of my leadership either.

However, history tells us that leaders act with a mandate from the people, whether that mandate is forced or willingly given is another matter.

If you do not like your leadership there are, in essence, two options;

a)  replace them, (remove their mandate)

b)  leave. (undermine / reduce their mandate).

if you cant do a) I recommend b)

most other stuff is only fluff.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 21:05
Regards Harmless (?).

We're open to dialogue with ChristinaZah but, indicative of Valar, disappointed (but not surprised) at the continued absence of diplomacy from Azreil and/or Darkone.

Jude: To assist you in your attempt to grasp the concept of 'Trolling';
Originally posted by StJude StJude wrote:


Whether The_Dude intends to speak on behalf of all the coalition of 6 remains to be seen.
Thats trolling.

Let me know if you require me to cut and paste any more of your quotes if you wish for futher examples. (<--- So's that)

Capiche'? (<----And that)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 21:04
I do NOT speak for anyone but me, SJ.  There is no "court".  You have admitted that you want the freedom to fight any alliance anytime for no reason than your own pleasure.  VALAR championed you on that position.  That would be the precipitating event (i.e., straw that broke the camel's back) for the current war.  That's troublemaker enough in my book.  The "no mercy" thing is some fiction you created from whole cloth - a specialty of yours, I have come to learn.

Uno, no serious negotiations ever occur publicly.  If there are VALAR members that want out of the war, the first step is the easiest...you will find it on your alliance page, the button is labeled "Quit Alliance".  If you are unwilling to quit, then you have chosen to follow your leaders.  Which means more blood.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 20:51
Originally posted by SirVulture SirVulture wrote:

 There were allegations of "harboring trolls" (please specify names and preferably also brief reasons)

I can answer this clearly from one players perspective.

The_Dude named two players in the accusation. Then he proceeded to define trolls as "Troublemakers" which is a pretty broad definition, as his "No Mercy" approach to conflict only adds fuel to the fire and can easily be described as "Troublemaking" But, hey, stones, glass houses.

Anyway, the court is in session, there are the two players he named.

1.) Myself.
2.) ATH

Whether The_Dude intends to speak on behalf of all the coalition of 6 remains to be seen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 20:50
TD, you probably didn't read the message with the attention it deserved (yeah, I know, it's safer for the reputation of the aggressors to continue claim that it was Valar to want this war, although it wasn't them to declare). ChristinaZah doesn't look like she is speaking for Azreil or the Valar. She is trying to broker a peace or truce or whatever. In short she says 
"tell me your reasons for war since for at least some alliances we don't even know what they are and what would be your terms for ending hostilities, I will present them to the whole alliance -if none else of Valar will- and see what will be the reactions". Note that conditions for cessation of hostilities isn't a cease fire IMHO since cease fire is just an agreement with no conditions other than ... cease fire.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 20:29
I need to see Azreal's authorization that Cristina speaks on his behalf.  Otherwise, this is just another propaganda stall tactic.

Also, I note the request to rehash the factual underpinnings of this war. There is no further need for that.  Now is the time to look to the future, not the past.

Cease-fire has no place in these negotiations.  It only allows the weakened party time to regroup and rebuild.  Which only prolongs the conflict.

I think this is complete ruse.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 20:17
I suggest that leaders avoid posting specific peace terms or demands.  Instead, let's start with our common interests.  Such as ... people want security, a place for new players to grow, ability to resolve conflicts ... stuff like that.

Let's start by finding the interests that we have in common, then look at the areas of disagreement.  Terms can evolve from this discussion.  Well done to CristinaZah for coming forward and opening the dialogue.

/me is not pretending to be a leader of anything
/me is just trying to offer some suggestions based on experience resolving conflicts
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 19:06
atleast its a chance to show our willingness to actually offer peace at terms.
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