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Anjire 
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 Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 20:15 |
 Taron wrote:
Then There was the NC war against Steel. Nobody did anything when they went after one player's capital
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I am going to take issue with this one statement. If your entire information about this war was the public forums and GC, then you are basing your information only the tip of of the iceberg reactionary.
There was a great deal of backroom negotiating, venting, and diplomacy going on at all levels. Additionally, At least one alliance was actively helping support and defend STEEL. More players were mobilizing but: Put simply, NC was more mobile and organized. Once they completed their objective they ended hostilities before any real escalation was called for or occurred.
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Aurordan
Postmaster
Player Council - Ambassador
Joined: 21 Sep 2011
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Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 19:30 |
Taron wrote:
YET THIS WAR IS Exactly about what H? has done before... Consone is against H? Because they don't want H? to be as powerful as they are. H? wiped out alliances before if ya didn't know.
Members of Consone have IGM me about this war stating and ASKING if Aesir was going to get on this war. The reasoning is that Consone do not want H? to make all the rules and rather have it that everyone gets along (Fat chance). Something along those lines, for this War between Preparation H and some soup is not my problem cause I have friends on both sides and hope for the best, but that wont work out anyways so.. Good luck
And do you honestly expect anyone to believe that your suddenly being
overmatched had nothing to do with the conflict suddenly being settled?
That was not the reason the war ended was because we were overmatched. If you where involved (Or ever got my IGM to my alliance or any of MY IGMs) You would know exactly why the war ended. TLR's alliances abandoned him. So he called for a ceasefire. Then There was the NC war against Steel. Nobody did anything when they went after one player's capital (And if you EVER read the forums on the TLR Aesir wars, where Destroyer clearly stated..(Which for some odd reason no body read it some how...) what are intentions were)
So once you (and others) are able to Understand another point of view (more open viewed. Not one sided but looking at every side of the box, not just the main object in it) as I try to do, Then I will stop bringing up History lessons.
Most conflicts are from past history. And History teaches us something right? Or schools are just wasting money on those classes....
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I am Responsible for what I say, I am not responsible for what you Understand
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Though this is the wrong thread for it, this war is in no way about what H? has done in the past, it's about what Consone is now. Most references to H?'s past are Consone and allies trying to drum up support.
As to you other point, EF had been willing to end to the war for some time, it was your end that had to end up agreeing. I saw no evidence of him being "abandoned". (And how on earth would I have read your mails to your alliance?)
Learning from history and remembering history are both different from bringing it up to troll people on every thread that mentions them.
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Taron
Greenhorn
Joined: 07 Oct 2010
Location: Hell Wisconsin
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Points: 81
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Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 19:14 |
Aurordan wrote:
Taron wrote:
Wouldn't Pride make you fight your own battles? I mean When Aesir was going to have to fight a bunch of alliances (by our self I might add) at once at one time a couple of months ago, my members showed there pride and honor by staying. They were prepared to fight to the death. I even gave them a choice as well, if they really wanted to keep playing, that they could leave to be saved if they wanted and I would not feel any dishonor towards them for that choice.
BUT lady luck was on our side and helped out settling the conflict :)
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Wouldn't your pride have stopped you from jumping a much smaller alliance that was already exhausted from war? And do you honestly expect anyone to believe that your suddenly being overmatched had nothing to do with the conflict suddenly being settled? Seriously, this is getting stupid. Your war is long over, leave it. |
YET THIS WAR IS Exactly about what H? has done before... Consone is against H? Because they don't want H? to be as powerful as they are. H? wiped out alliances before if ya didn't know. Members of Consone have IGM me about this war stating and ASKING if Aesir was going to get on this war. The reasoning is that Consone do not want H? to make all the rules and rather have it that everyone gets along (Fat chance). Something along those lines, for this War between Preparation H and some soup is not my problem cause I have friends on both sides and hope for the best, but that wont work out anyways so.. Good luck
And do you honestly expect anyone to believe that your suddenly being
overmatched had nothing to do with the conflict suddenly being settled?That was not the reason the war ended was because we were overmatched. If you where involved (Or ever got my IGM to my alliance or any of MY IGMs) You would know exactly why the war ended. TLR's alliances abandoned him. So he called for a ceasefire. Then There was the NC war against Steel. Nobody did anything when they went after one player's capital (And if you EVER read the forums on the TLR Aesir wars, where Destroyer clearly stated..(Which for some odd reason no body read it some how...) what are intentions were) So once you (and others) are able to Understand another point of view (more open viewed. Not one sided but looking at every side of the box, not just the main object in it) as I try to do, Then I will stop bringing up History lessons. Most conflicts are from past history. And History teaches us something right? Or schools are just wasting money on those classes.... Again: I am Responsible for what I say, I am not responsible for what you Understand
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I am Responsible for what I say.
I Am not responsible for what you understand.
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Epidemic
Postmaster
Joined: 03 Nov 2012
Location: USA
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Points: 768
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Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 19:07 |
Mogul wrote:
There are neutral alliances in this war, but sometimes those neutral alliances contain alt or main accounts of players who have their second account in not neutral alliance.
Then motivation to unprovoked siege attacks can be also attempt to drag whole alliance into the war.
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You may be on to something here...Another point to make is that some players join an alliance but never participate, like most games of this genre, they do their own thing. The unprovoked attacks could be an instance of either one of these.
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bansisdead
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Joined: 08 Jan 2012
Location: UK
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Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 19:02 |
Aurordan wrote:
You can be biased and still be neutral. I'm not even saying he is. But even if he was criticizing one side, if he doesn't interfere in the conflict, or help anyone who is, he's neutral. |
I will agree with the first statement, you can be biased and neutral, but imo to remain neutral you have to hide your bias, and not let it all out in GC. Name calling is interfering.
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Aurordan
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Player Council - Ambassador
Joined: 21 Sep 2011
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Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 18:59 |
bansisdead wrote:
Aurordan wrote:
The argument was being made that EF has not been observing his neutrality because he seems to be making more jokes about Consone. This statement is in response to that. |
The argument I made was EF was going into GC and only taking the p*** out of consone, not making more jokes about one or another alliance. I was just pointing out EF appeared to be slightly biased towards one side, which he refutes.
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You can be biased and still be neutral. I'm not even saying he is. But even if he was criticizing one side, if he doesn't interfere in the conflict, or help anyone who is, he's neutral.
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Aurordan
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Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 18:56 |
Taron wrote:
Wouldn't Pride make you fight your own battles? I mean When Aesir was going to have to fight a bunch of alliances (by our self I might add) at once at one time a couple of months ago, my members showed there pride and honor by staying. They were prepared to fight to the death. I even gave them a choice as well, if they really wanted to keep playing, that they could leave to be saved if they wanted and I would not feel any dishonor towards them for that choice.
BUT lady luck was on our side and helped out settling the conflict :)
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Wouldn't your pride have stopped you from jumping a much smaller alliance that was already exhausted from war? And do you honestly expect anyone to believe that your suddenly being overmatched had nothing to do with the conflict suddenly being settled? Seriously, this is getting stupid. Your war is long over, leave it.
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Mogul
Forum Warrior
Joined: 23 Sep 2011
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Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 18:55 |
There are neutral alliances in this war, but sometimes those neutral alliances contain alt or main accounts of players who have their second account in not neutral alliance.
Then motivation to unprovoked siege attacks can be also attempt to drag whole alliance into the war.
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bansisdead
Postmaster
Joined: 08 Jan 2012
Location: UK
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Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 18:53 |
Aurordan wrote:
The argument was being made that EF has not been observing his neutrality because he seems to be making more jokes about Consone. This statement is in response to that. |
The argument I made was EF was going into GC and only taking the p*** out of consone, not making more jokes about one or another alliance. I was just pointing out EF appeared to be slightly biased towards one side, which he refutes.
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Taron
Greenhorn
Joined: 07 Oct 2010
Location: Hell Wisconsin
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Points: 81
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Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 18:49 |
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See I have this thing called "Pride" taron, which in this case means I do not go "squealing". My members then did not have Pride, and went onto the forums, if you actually read through what you are quoting you wont see any comment from me.
I'm sure once I hit "post reply" someone will dissect what I just wrote up there^ into something entirely different though. [/QUOTE] Wouldn't Pride make you fight your own battles? I mean When Aesir was going to have to fight a bunch of alliances (by our self I might add) at once at one time a couple of months ago, my members showed there pride and honor by staying. They were prepared to fight to the death. I even gave them a choice as well, if they really wanted to keep playing, that they could leave to be saved if they wanted and I would not feel any dishonor towards them for that choice. BUT lady luck was on our side and helped out settling the conflict :)
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I Am not responsible for what you understand.
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