Unintended Consequences

BS. Ive never bought prestige and there are few with larger armies. One can make plenty trading and harvesting/mining to pay for large armies.

ajqtrz wrote: Having made the mistake mentioned above I went back and re-did the analysis of my claim that it is possible to "p2w."  What I found was that, even with a 20 building limit is is possible to get to over 800% unit production AND do so at a cost of about 5 million gold a day.  Supplies would have to be sent on a schedule but it can be done.  On the other hand, I doubt the coordination could be maintained for long as it would take very well spaced deliveries to the local storage buildings to keep things running smoothly and that would take more than one person committed to the effort.  In the end the production of 100k spears would take about 36days (if my memory serves me right) and that isn't too bad. So while I still maintain it is possible, if it is done it would have to be done by a very organized and disciplined alliance with the desire to "p2w." AJ PS.  If you want the numbers they can be supplied.

I'm going to trust that you did your calculations right, that 5 million gold per day can get 800% unit production, with 100k spears in a month or so. However, from my experience, non-paying players can also easily get 5 million gold per day, thus discrediting the idea that only paying players can "p2w" and do what is written above.

In 2015, I used to own an arterium mine, and while operating below full capacity, I could get 3 mining trips per day, each with 100 miners. So that works out to be 200 arterium per day.  I also had several specialized swordsmiths, enough to build 300 war axes from the arterium daily. Back then, war axes sold for around 14k each, working out to be 4.2 million per day*. This was from an underdeveloped city of only ~4,000 pop. Once the mine is maxed out on capacity, profits would be over 6 million per day. Furthermore, this is only using several of the city's 20 plots,  once all other plots are utilized effectively, more money on top of that 6 million could be gotten.

Therefore, a player with 2 accounts, one making money as described above, and the other churning out troops, it would be more than possible to accomplish what "p2w"ers could do.

(You may say that arterium is scarce and only available to a few. But you could also easily accomplish 5 million per day with any other crafted equipment, like plainsmen armour, or animal-scale armour)

I believe a more effective argument against "p2w" would  be the ability to buy more equipment from the market, rather than sov costs.

*costs of basic equipment like swords are negligible




Edited by Bobtron - 17 Mar 2016 at 05:46

100k spears in 36 days will not win much of anything.  Unless you were fighting me, but my armies are pathetic.

Dungshoveleux wrote: All this reads like Mr Logic from Viz...

Who is "Mr Logic from Viz?"

Aj

ajqtrz wrote: Tensmoor wrote: I find his use of large words quite amusing when coupled with incorrect sentences. Unfortunately the amusement is not enough to encourage me to wade through it all. You are probably correct that I occasionally do use incorrect grammar and syntax.  If you have found a case of such, do try to be specific as I'm always in the mood for improvement and one cannot improve much is one is unwilling to see his or her errors or if, being blind to them, is willing to be shown what others plainly see.  I'm pretty familiar with that failure at this moment, so do let me know of what sentence or sentences you refer. Thanks, AJ

I would suggest you start with your post above and (carefully) analyze your use of words. If you want a more specific case then please try to spot the error in this snippet.

one cannot improve much is one is unwilling to see his or her errors