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Tamaeon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 19 Dec 2011 Location: Centrum Status: Offline Points: 152	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tamaeon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2015 at 19:55
	+1 to @Rill and @Anjire. What tax rate are you running @Brandmeister?
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Brandmeister Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 2396	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brandmeister Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2015 at 20:20
	I run 65% in most tournament-ready cities. 50% right now, as I am changing some city layouts and needed the resources.

Tamaeon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 19 Dec 2011 Location: Centrum Status: Offline Points: 152	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tamaeon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2015 at 20:57
	@Brandmeister There you go. If you lower your tax rate to 35% you should be able to claim some lvl3 sovereignty. Of course this should only be done while you build up your armies. Once you reach your target army size, you can then switch all sovs to food and increase your taxes to around 75%. That's how most of us manage very large armies.
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Brandmeister Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 2396	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brandmeister Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2015 at 21:19
	Right, but that's the standard approach to kick above 200%. Basically what Albatross described. I wanted to know more about this 5/5/5/5/5 thing for extra speed. You guys were very helpful with the details. If I did it for troops, I still think that I would do a 6/4 with 1-2 discount buildings, and lots of sov bonuses for one unit type. Otherwise the gold per hour would get intense, even for a tournament. No doubt I will learn a lot when I try this technique in Kul Tar. The results should be impressive, as the entire city is surrounded by solid +3% sov. If I could get that all to 50-60 sov levels, it would be +400% to +480%.

Rill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rill Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2015 at 21:24
	The most common 6/4/5/5/5 squares are low clay or low wood, which would be undesirable for elves and humans (for cav and bows). Are there tiles that have 6 food and 4 stone or 4 iron?

Brandmeister Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 2396	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brandmeister Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2015 at 21:52
	Why would a 6 wood 5 iron 4 clay be undesirable for a bow city? That's the correct distribution for Archer Fields, and typically a forest tile embedded in lots of +2% ranged unit sov. Am I missing something?

Rill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rill Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2015 at 22:12
	I was referring to the low wood squares being undesirable for bows.

Albatross Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 11 May 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1118	Post Options Post Reply Quote Albatross Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 02:37
	Thanks all for comments. My point 5 is only really of use if you have pressure on your Clay resource; sorry not to have pointed that out. And yes, needing four military discount buildings (point 4) is rare, but there is sometimes a case for it. When generating military units, I agree that Chancery buildings are not so useful: I usually have L5 Sov at Radius 1 for basic resources, and L2 or L3 Sov for military unit generation for the remainder of the 20 available sovereignty buildings. That's distribution gives the weakest benefit of the Chancery, which is best when making more distant or distributed L1 or L2 claims - there are times I've used that, but it's a fairly outspoken strategy, and atypical of most players' needs. That cost for Books (given by Anjire) is a good statistic; I never got around to running the numbers on that. I guess I should now sell some Books at Centrum, given that Chanceries have been declared useless for military cities :op


Leinad__ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 11 Jan 2015 Location: Trieste,Italia Status: Offline Points: 40	Post Options Post Reply Quote Leinad__ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2015 at 13:48
	I don't see how chancery can be considered totally useless for military cities; if you have, for example, an elven city close to a large forest with tons of 2% ranged prod bonuses than you can sov 1 every of them payin a few gold/res per hour and having that bonus you could not claim otherwise. let's take my only spear city (i m elf!) #/World/Map/-584/-2600 as you can see there is a lot of Wooden Glades(2%spear bonus) at a few squares from. I m building a chancery of estate there because i considered 10+ squares of that type are present at a reasonable distance from me. Now, reading this thread i see you all consider the chancery useless so can you guys tell me if in your opinion would be worth to have one there? it would cost me way more gold and res p/h without it.....while having it i would get of course all those juicy-too far 2% bonuses! Edited by Leinad__ - 18 Jan 2015 at 13:50


Anjire Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 18 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 688	Post Options Post Reply Quote Anjire Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jan 2015 at 14:33
	While a city can claim up to 150 sov squares around them it can only glean the bonus from 20 of the squares. The Chancery only gives you a discount on the first level of sov claim but it also eats up valuable basic resources that you will be using for military support buildings and min/maxing recruitment speed. For a military city you should be claiming at least level II on the nearest 20 squares for greatest efficiency with level III claimed on as many extra squares as research/resources permit and you are comfortable with in regards to negative values. I think JimJams has a link on his profile to a spreadsheet that allows you to play around with the various city parameters. I am sure there are a number of other like documents that are floating around and would probably be a good idea for the new players to become familiar the ins and outs. Feel free to create an account on the Harmless Diggik forum if you wish a more detailed walk through ehrtr I can be more free to post various IGM's that I've saved and collaborations documents between players since I don't have an active game account.

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