TVM - SHARK Conflict

Pellinell, it is rather ironic and funny that you would call me a mind reader and the very next thing you say is to claim to know what my wants are. Truely, trolling at it´s finest, congrats!!

Pellinell, first, by your logic, land claims are a direct challenge to alliances who do not recognize them. Second, the player attacked (Odoacer) who agreed to a PvP did not agree to sieges or relocation of his towns out of Newlands. That is not the issue, after the pvp had concluded, days passed and Odoacer was the recipient of several attacks from Lorcan and other members of TVM. Shark sent troops to counterstrike those players hitting Odoacer. That is where we are, TVM keeps sending troops at our towns, and we are responding to those attacks.

Shark does not need to tell the community what are strategic goals are, nevertheless, in previous posts I have expressed the reason behind Shark´s settlements in Newlands. Shark has never stated that TVM is bullying Shark, again, any alliance that would attack us with diplos and military units, we will respond in kind, as I´m sure, anybody in a leadership position would do.

I suggest Lorcan explain the attacks launched by him and several other TVM members’ days after the pvp had concluded. Was it out of outrage because he lost 19k t1 infantry units from one of his armies stationed outside of Odoacers town? Or are they trying to impose their land claim? I have yet to see any response from Lorcan or TVM in the forums defending their attacks on Odoacer, yet Shark has openly expressed its views on the matter.

A Little bit of extra clarification here.

Shark´s actions are by no means a direct challenge to TVMs land claim. Shark does not recognize land claims therefore we do not need to reach out to any alliance with a land claim and ask permission to settle within a claim.

A direct challenge would be construed in a completely different venue, where Shark would hit the red button and tell TVM upfront, we are challenging your land claim.

You are welcome to think and have your own view on the matter, Shark is not interested in convincing the community that we hold the moral high ground per Nokigons assumption.

If an alliance attacks our towns, we will defend them, period.

Little bit of extra clarification here.

Shark have been forthright, in following comments, that their actions are intended as a direct challenge to TVMs land claim. They do not respect land claims and reserve the right to challenge them. I understand and respect those feelings. However, they should be aware that DSD will defend our ally in land claims, in an approach that is proportional to the situation- we have no interest in bringing BL wars to Elgea- to the best of our ability. I would also cynically add that Shark are not stupid and are fully aware of this, which leaves their supposed pacifism towards the DSD something to be desired.

Honestly, the only thing I particularly dislike in this situation is Shark trying to claim the moral high ground. What Shark is doing is attempting to better their own position strategically. They are not the victims of aggression.

Pellinell wrote: The DSD will defend TVM in the event of war in a manner in which is proportionate to the threat. What I mean is the idea that the Elgean DSD alliances will get involved and a server war break out are fantasy at this point. BL wars will be common because of the land claims. That is something which we as a confed understand. There is no reason in my opinion for Elgean alliances to interfere in BL geopolitical disputes. ...... However I would suggest a diplomatic solution to this issue before it becomes a full fledged war.