TVM - SHARK Conflict

Demdigs, your own bias against land claiming alliances is even more obvious. Let's see:

demdigs wrote: Playing out to be the good guys and "Evil Elgean masters" I personally have 5 cities in Elgea and 8 in TBL, by your bias just because i have 5 cities in Elgea makes me an evil Elgean and have no say in politics in TBL.

All opinions are legitimate! So long as your city is outside of our claim we'll keep our opinion about your city to ourselves.


Edited by Rosie Blackeye - 22 Sep 2015 at 21:21

I don't consider RE that old, thou I guess they are, offshoots aren't the same and yes there are older players in all, that's why I said most as many are new players who have followed the rhetoric that Elgea is being strangled by the large alliances.  Thou even at it's most crowded there were less conflicts then then now with all this extra room.  If you agree with land claims you will never see the other person's side clearly, just as if you don't agree with them you won't see their side clearly either.  Everyone has their opinion and is entitled to it, it just gets tiring when people use a new excuse to rehash old issues.

So, let me get this straight.

Say i ignored others' policies, so i move inside a small alliances 10sq and become "amused" by their attampts to throw me out and i prove capable to throw them out instead. Say they call for help (typical Elgean politics, or so i read) and some "freedom fighter" alliances volunteer to assist and "rightfully" bash me eventually, "rid the disease".

Explain to me, if the very same freedom fighters come into BL and settle a strategically ideal home (yeah, for tournaments!), how the above typical Elgean politics will not come along with their masters?

Also try to explain to me, how i am an evil monster if i ignore policies in Elgea, and someone ignoring policies in BL is not one? Sure, this might seem like a "hyperbole" to equate 10sq to a land claim, but they are undeniably both policies.  Even if the policy is absurd, you have to respect it and re-act to it however you see fit. You can't just close your eyes and play, as Angrim excellently put it.

Like it or not, BL is forming into "kingdoms" due to the land claim policies.
If you disrespect that, you leave yourselves open to hostilities in those kingdoms and you choose to step off "the moral high ground".
If you do respect that, you also get to choose how you will react to those kingdoms, your honor intact. (join them, ally with them, make yours, contest them)

I cannot possibly claim that this is the official Broken Blades stance on the matters i mentioned, merely my own thoughts in an attempt to show how wrong the SHARK policy on land claims is and how i hate "typical Elgean politics".
BL breathed fresh air with the land claims, isn't that obvious overall yet?

Pellinell wrote: This would be true except the fact that they have "recognized" land claims in disputes with other LC alliances. So it's not a uniform code so to speak. It would be more accurate to say Shark doesn't recognize TVMs land claim but May others depending upon the other alliances strength in BL.

as Halcyon's articulated position is not rational, i don't think a rational appeal is likely to sway him. "not recognising" land claims is a diplomatic stance. the reality is that a land claim has been made, SHARK is well aware of it. "not recognising" it in a diplomatic sense is the avoidance of anything that gives it *official* recognition, which does not exclude the possibility of something unofficial being arranged. this is not what Halcyon is describing, which is a deliberate closing of one's eyes after one has seen something so one can continue to claim ignorance of it. SHARK leadership seems to be tied in its own language at this point, which i have to assume is deliberate on its part. i don't think this needs to be more complicated than two alliances vying for the same area and being unwilling to cede anything to the other.