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Sinatra
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Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 20:55 |
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And let's be honest Eternal Fire/Subatoi, were you not on GC making statements about training alliances and attacks?
Edited by Sinatra - 14 Oct 2012 at 20:55
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Vice Chancellor of External Affairs Toothless? Alliance Illyriad's First & Oldest Training Alliance
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ES2
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Joined: 25 Sep 2012
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Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 20:56 |
Sinatra wrote:
ES2 wrote:
I seem to recall a trader by the name of Pedi more or less executed by Toothless members, Ladyluvs included. |
That player decided he wanted to attack T? members while they were havesting. This was his second offense by attacking our player Gokor's harvesters. Our Chancellor sent him a mail to advise him to repay Gokor's losses. His response was 11 attacks sent at our Chancellor, LadyLuvs.
So yes this tiny little training alliance was provoked, the same way you provoke everybody about everything EF, shame on you! |
So you are a peaceful alliance that requires diplomatic immunity but will wholeheartedly execute a random player with your obvious military capability, then go back to stating you are peaceful?
I fail to see as to why training alliances such as Toothess are allowed diplomatic immunity.
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Eternal Fire
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Starry
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Joined: 20 Mar 2010
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Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 20:57 |
ES2 wrote:
Starry wrote:
Grego wrote:
Absa will do best to prevent such cases, even if it's about T? ( question mark again )
I am just curious how this works with H's politics:
KillerPoodle wrote:It's been a while since a real war happened so I want to give the average player some insight into how H? does things.We don't attack random folk just because they happen to be in an alliance we are having a disagreement with.We concentrate on the leadership, the active participants (those using their armies), the passive participants (those supporting with their resources) and the forum mouth-pieces.So, if you want to miss out on all the fun, simply keep your troops and resources at home and you likely won't be bothered.
TOOTHLESS? We are a temporary peaceful alliance formed to help those who are new to the game. Not only do we train members in the nuances of the game, we support them with resources and materials. We require that our members be active and building. Members are not allowed to attack any player without permission from an officer, active or inactive. Our members are free to leave and join any alliance when they feel comfortable with the game or must graduate when they are between 3rd or 4th city. We are a sister alliance to Harmless?, however, since we are peaceful training alliance, we are not involved in Harmless conflicts/wars nor do our members provide any support to H? members.
So T? can decide to become toothed any time they choose....Can we get some insurance that T? will change their name into Toothless until this war ends? |
".. T? has never been a military alliance, they have never attacked anyone..." |
I seem to recall a trader by the name of Pedi more or less executed by Toothless members, Ladyluvs included. |
You should check your facts, Pedi attacked T first and he continued to attack even when he was called on it. Luvs tried diplomacy and the player was intent on attacking her new players. Every training alliance has the right to protect their members; they have to keep them safe. If a player decides he's going to continue attacks on any training alliance, they deserve to be attacked. Are you suggesting that peaceful training alliances don't have the right to defend their members and take action if the attacks won't stop?
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CEO, Harmless? Founder of Toothless?
"Truth never dies." -HonoredMule
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ES2
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Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 21:13 |
Not saying that Starry..
I should make TLR a training alliance then, send a few resources to a few members, give a little advice, someone scouts me i can raze him and whoever aids him and have such immunity that more or less prophibts alliances from attacking me in revenge.
such wonderful benefits for training alliances..
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Eternal Fire
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Deranzin
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Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 21:27 |
ES2 wrote:
Not saying that Starry..
I should make TLR a training alliance then, send a few resources to a few members, give a little advice, someone scouts me i can raze him and whoever aids him and have such immunity that more or less prophibts alliances from attacking me in revenge.
such wonderful benefits for training alliances.. |
If you twist logic a bit more, it will become a circle ... :p
Noone, other than you that is, claimed such a thing ... the topic was just about the perfectly reasonable idea that training alliances should remain a safe haven for new players to grow and enjoy the game in a nurturing environment, just like before, despite the current war and so opportunist bullies should not get nasty ideas into their heads.
Do you disagree with that .?. If so, why .?.
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Jane DarkMagic
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Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 21:42 |
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There are enough targets on both sides of this war without involving training alliances.
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Hadus
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Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 22:05 |
ES2 wrote:
Not saying that Starry..
I should make TLR a training alliance then, send a few resources to a few members, give a little advice, someone scouts me i can raze him and whoever aids him and have such immunity that more or less prophibts alliances from attacking me in revenge.
such wonderful benefits for training alliances.. |
You have got to be kidding. Multiple people just explained that the player attacked T? SEVERAL TIMES and did not agree to diplomatic resolutions. What do you want, for them to sit their and allow themselves to be assaulted repeatedly? The only way you could have interpreted that the way you did is by assuming T? was lying and the player did not actually attack them, and then you have nothing to back that claim. Read the posts that are relevant before jumping to wild conclusions.
Edited by Hadus - 14 Oct 2012 at 22:05
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Beecks
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Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 22:43 |
Jane DarkMagic wrote:
There are enough targets on both sides of this war without involving training alliances. |
Agreed. There's no reason this war can't be fought with some civility.
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The_Dude
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Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:47 |
I think some of this has grown out of unfounded fears that training alliances attached to warring alliances will targeted by the warring parties. KillerPoodle has stated that only warring parties are targeted by their side. He made clear that if a player does not fight or supply the warring parties then such a non-participant would have nothing to worry about - even if they are a member of a warring alliance. I think he did except Officers and Key members of warring alliances. But rank and file members should be fine as long as they do not involve themselves. Extrapolating that, affiliated training alliances should also be safe.
I assume that the Consone side of the conflict will use similar criteria for targets.
I think the one area where things could "bleed over" (pun intended) to training alliances is if a leader or large player in a training alliance is an alt of a warring player in a warring alliance. Such players may be tempted to supply goods or even reinforcements in a pinch. Under those circumstances, it would be reasonable for THAT specific training alliance member to find himself attacked.
If there happen to be players/alliances that think training alliances or unaligned newbs will now be unprotected by vets, they will be sorely surprised to learn that there are still plenty of vets not in the war that will continue protecting newbs and training alliances as needed.
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Dieneces
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Joined: 06 May 2012
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 00:03 |
The_Dude wrote:
I think some of this has grown out of unfounded fears that training alliances attached to warring alliances will targeted by the warring parties. KillerPoodle has stated that only warring parties are targeted by their side. He made clear that if a player does not fight or supply the warring parties then such a non-participant would have nothing to worry about - even if they are a member of a warring alliance. I think he did except Officers and Key members of warring alliances. But rank and file members should be fine as long as they do not involve themselves. Extrapolating that, affiliated training alliances should also be safe.
I assume that the Consone side of the conflict will use similar criteria for targets.
I think the one area where things could "bleed over" (pun intended) to training alliances is if a leader or large player in a training alliance is an alt of a warring player in a warring alliance. Such players may be tempted to supply goods or even reinforcements in a pinch. Under those circumstances, it would be reasonable for THAT specific training alliance member to find himself attacked.
If there happen to be players/alliances that think training alliances or unaligned newbs will now be unprotected by vets, they will be sorely surprised to learn that there are still plenty of vets not in the war that will continue protecting newbs and training alliances as needed. |
Well put, could have not said that any better myself
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