TOR Town Settled Inappropriately Close

I only know about one incident when two members of TOR (which was not called TOR at this stage) attacked a one player that had about the same size as each of the attacking players. That was clearly not acceptable since the player (who was not in an alliance) was not amused at all. The attacks happened before the creation of TOR and have not been solved after TOR has been created (and those two players joined). TOR was in the constitutional phase and had no alliance leadership. We all in TOR have been very inexperienced in the fine art of diplomacy of Illy. The entire story turned out to be a great learning experience about how such things are settled in Illy. I do not think it is fair to count that event. (BTW there are other alliances that do allow their players to attack active players without an alliance e.g. dwarven lords.)

Since that incident there has been no other attack on another players that led to any diplomatic mail I received (unless you count close settlement decisions as attacks – in this case we had much more issues). The only other attack that I am aware of is the issue referred to by Myr. An incident where a player (pop: 150) sent a few thieves to another player (pop: 150 and member of Neightbringers) just some weeks ago (in order to “test the mechanics of thieves” and without being aware that the player is a member of ~N~). I have not received any in-game mail from ~N~ but they have taken quite hard revenge on such a threating and dangerous player (which is a fair thing to do and I, in the name of the alliance and this newbie have apologized for the incident). I do not think such an “attack” is a threat to any alliance in this game and this turned out to be a good learning experience for that player as well.

I cannot recall the second incident that has involved ~N~ (though I asked them about it). The only incidents that I recall are settlement incidents. As I have referred to above all such settlement incident have been resolved and TOR always has withdrawn his cities (and in all cases I have contacted the player straight after I received such a mail). I am also not aware of “a number of reports from other alliance leaders of TOR players attacking their members and when TOR leadership was contacted, the response was to attack the player back” (in fact I am not aware of any except the two incidents I have just explained). So maybe I have a bad memory (which I usually do not have).

Maybe I have a bad memory (in which case I would really like to hear more specific details about such numbers of attacks of TOR players). Or Rill has a bad memory (in which case she should not post such nonsense here after suggesting to close this thread). Or Rill is deliberately trying to damage TORs reputation (and I really wonder why she should do that as I always have considered her a nice and friendly person and enjoyed talks with her in global chat). In case my memory failed me, I am happy to correct my statements above.

To clarify:

To claim that TOR is an aggressive alliance towards smaller alliances is simply not true!

TOR is no threat to anyone!

There have not been a number of attacks towards other players or alliances (see above)!

We are a peaceful and defensive alliance!

I made the above post to clarify that we have possibilities to order our members to stop any kind of actions!

I also made the above post to announce a change in TORs policy: While we prefer that things are handled directly with the involved player, we will now definitely get involved, if the direct approach is a problem for any other player/alliance straight away.

Finally, I can understand that some players (and autocratic alliances) are getting nervous since democracy is expanding, but decisions in democracy (and we are atm debating about our rules of attacking other players) take a little longer than in dictatorships.