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LordOfTheSwamp 
Forum Warrior
Joined: 23 May 2011
Location: Swamp of Fyrgis
Status: Offline
Points: 481
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 Posted: 08 May 2012 at 08:29 |
 Rill wrote:
So what is your problem, exactly? That's not said in a sarcastic way, I'm just wondering what the problem is with going the extra mile to use the forum to make contact when there was no response to in-game mails. What would you have recommended that I do at that point?
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Fair point. I probably misread some of the thread.
What would I have done? I would like to think that I probably wouldn't have posted "a siege is something that could be contemplated at some point", for example - in places the purpose of the thread seemed to be veiled threats. But having said that: 1) Just because it "seemed" a certain way to me doesn't make it your intention. Like I said, I may have misread. 2) While I can say "I would like to think that I probably wouldn't have posted..." I have to accept that I would probably have said something far more inflammatory in an angsty fury. I'm well aware that I can't be trusted with sharp objects, emotional opinions or, indeed, words.
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"A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander.
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 6903
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Posted: 08 May 2012 at 08:16 |
Kurdruk, we tried doing what you did -- sending mail to both Janosch and the player and got no response. I made my forum post not to breathe fire but because I was hoping to get into contact with someone -- as I mentioned in my original post, I had seen Janosch was active on the forum. Contact was made. And it worked out. Which I stated repeatedly. Posting anything in the forum carries the risk of creating drama, but that was a risk I was willing to take in order to get the situation resolved.
As it happens, the situation has been resolved.
So what is your problem, exactly? That's not said in a sarcastic way, I'm just wondering what the problem is with going the extra mile to use the forum to make contact when there was no response to in-game mails. What would you have recommended that I do at that point? |
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LordOfTheSwamp
Forum Warrior
Joined: 23 May 2011
Location: Swamp of Fyrgis
Status: Offline
Points: 481
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Posted: 08 May 2012 at 07:56 |
A while ago a casual player, who had not dedicated himself to studying the rule mechanics and Forum posts to discern what the community's expectations might be, settled 2.5 squares from one of my cities.
I responded by sending him a message explaining why it was bad placement, stating that I considered the intervening squares my Sov not his, and suggesting that he might like to consider Exodusing the city if in future he wanted to claim Sov. We got on pretty well after that, though eventually he drifted away from the game and Suspended his account. We then used the city for target practice, and it's gone now.
Maybe I should have tried to turn this into a big drama instead - saying the placement was "inappropriate", maybe threatening the guy, perhaps looking for an excuse for a fight or turning it into a big issue on the Forum. Hmm. Y'know what, if I had it would not have improved the game for anyone.
It happens that not everyone who plays this game spends hours working out from the Forums what is and isn't "appropriate". Lots of people just get on with doing whatever seems, superficially, reasonable. I'm not sure what is to be gained by making a drama out of that.
It's odd that Rill, who is generally on the side of the peacemakers (if often starting from weirdly prejudiced starting points) kicked this off. Are TOR really so undisciplined that they've riled her?
On the plus side, at least we haven't seen a self-styled saviour of Illyria trying to brand TOR as irredeemable villains and call for a crusade to destroy them.
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"A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander.
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SunStorm
Postmaster
Joined: 01 Apr 2011
Location: "Look Up"
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Posted: 05 May 2012 at 21:14 |
Nokigon wrote:
I think you mean Switzerland, although I suppose Sweden is fairly neutral. |
Both are. "Swedish neutrality refers to Sweden's policy of neutrality in armed conflicts, which has been in effect since the early 19th century." ~~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_neutrality
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"Side? I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side" ~LoTR
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Nokigon
Postmaster General
Player Council - Historian
Joined: 07 Nov 2010
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Points: 1452
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Posted: 05 May 2012 at 19:48 |
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I think you mean Switzerland, although I suppose Sweden is fairly neutral.
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SunStorm
Postmaster
Joined: 01 Apr 2011
Location: "Look Up"
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Posted: 05 May 2012 at 18:45 |
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/me moves to neutral Sweden
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"Side? I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side" ~LoTR
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Myr
Forum Warrior
Joined: 26 May 2011
Location: Orlando, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 437
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Posted: 05 May 2012 at 04:29 |
Just to clarify, I completely forgot about the 150 pop player attack, that was no more than a fruit fly to swat at. I was referring to other incidents. I said nothing that was an attack on the alliance, I didn't drag out details or make accusations, I just said that it would be interesting to see how it plays out. So I'm confused as to how our interactions became such a big part of this discussion from a Crow wing, but I'm not really concerned about it.
By the way Janosch, I never knew English wasn't your native language, you write it very well.
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Quackers
Forum Warrior
Joined: 19 Nov 2011
Location: Jeff City
Status: Offline
Points: 435
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Posted: 05 May 2012 at 01:38 |
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TOR stole my taco :(
(I'm going to get slack for this, I can just feel it)
Lets just drop it, what happened in the past with TOR has been settled. They are working on their leadership and are moving towards a brighter future. Lets not bring up old things in the past and let it all go.
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Rorgash
Postmaster
Joined: 23 Aug 2011
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Points: 894
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Posted: 05 May 2012 at 00:34 |
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I say, fight it out!
Edited by Calico_Jack - 05 May 2012 at 00:34
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 6903
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Posted: 05 May 2012 at 00:27 |
Myr quite clearly stated that in her experience when there were provocations from TOR players, her alliance retaliated against the player individually, which is what I meant by "attack the player back." It does appear that there may be a language issue here, although my wording was probably also ambiguous.
When I said that "I am not suggesting that TOR players are any more or less likely to attack than other run of the mill players," I was specifically making a distinction that I did not experience your players as being more aggressive than other players. The idiom "run of the mill" means "average." Therefore I was saying your players were no more or less likely than other players to attack -- in fact stating I did not see you as being exceptionally aggressive. You appear to have understood the opposite.
With regard to TOR leadership not participating in negotiations, I have e-mail trails of you stating that TOR players are sovereign and must be dealt with individually.
If you want to mail me, I'm happy to clarify any of my other comments as well.
I think this whole thing has been overblown and at this point am only making these clarifications because you have accused me of lying or exaggerating. I accept your apology and hope the matter can be concluded. I have no ill will toward you or your alliance and indeed see TOR as an interesting alliance structure.
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