Should Training Alliances Participate in Tourneys

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   An interesting discussion has cropped up in our training alliance (HoTH): 
"Should Training Alliances Participate in Tourneys?"

The Illy community has benefited greatly from training alliances. They bring players into the game in a safe fashion and speed the transfer of game knowledge. As such, they have traditionally enjoyed 'Protected' status and in return are (should be) pacifist in their game action. 

Some argue that to participate in competitive tournaments violates the protection afforded by the community (a protection that we do not take for granted in HoTH) and thus the non-aggression rules that all HoTH members agree to should extend to tournaments. 

Others argue that tournaments are by nature friendly competition and do not represent use of force. This is formalized by the suspension of all NAPs, Confeds, etc on tournament squares. Those that argue this point feel that training for participation in Illy Tournaments is an important part of a players overall Illy training as many alliances (non-training) make tournament play part of their goals/mission.

Since we enjoy the protection of the community we thought it would be appropriate to ask the community about tournament participation. Please vote and voice your opinions. Thanks for your thoughts.

Poll Question: Should Training Alliances Participate in Tourneys?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Yes - It is an important part of training in Illyriad	30	[81.08%]
No - It violates their protected status	0	[0.00%]
Up to the Individual Alliance	4	[10.81%]
Other Opinion (Please post your thoughts)	3	[8.11%]
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BladeOfLife Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List New Poster Joined: 02 Sep 2016 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote BladeOfLife Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Should Training Alliances Participate in Tourneys Posted: 02 Sep 2016 at 14:44
	An interesting discussion has cropped up in our training alliance (HoTH): "Should Training Alliances Participate in Tourneys?" The Illy community has benefited greatly from training alliances. They bring players into the game in a safe fashion and speed the transfer of game knowledge. As such, they have traditionally enjoyed 'Protected' status and in return are (should be) pacifist in their game action. Some argue that to participate in competitive tournaments violates the protection afforded by the community (a protection that we do not take for granted in HoTH) and thus the non-aggression rules that all HoTH members agree to should extend to tournaments. Others argue that tournaments are by nature friendly competition and do not represent use of force. This is formalized by the suspension of all NAPs, Confeds, etc on tournament squares. Those that argue this point feel that training for participation in Illy Tournaments is an important part of a players overall Illy training as many alliances (non-training) make tournament play part of their goals/mission. Since we enjoy the protection of the community we thought it would be appropriate to ask the community about tournament participation. Please vote and voice your opinions. Thanks for your thoughts.

Tensmoor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 07 Apr 2015 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 1579	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tensmoor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Sep 2016 at 16:02
	In the main I say yes they should participate in Tournaments but with one reservation. Most of the disagreement in the community regarding tournaments is centered around the areas surrounding tournament squares and the moving of towns close by to allow easier attacks/reinforcement. If a training alliance does this then it must understand that some may decide to attack those towns as part of the tournament. As long as the training alliance bears this in mind when deciding if they will participate then I can't see any reason for them not and on a personal level would welcome them.

abstractdream Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Location: Oarnamly Status: Offline Points: 1857	Post Options Post Reply Quote abstractdream Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Sep 2016 at 18:26
	@Tensmoor: +1
	Bonfyr Verboo

highknee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List New Poster Joined: 03 Apr 2016 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote highknee Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Sep 2016 at 18:31
	i think they should be able to participate in a tourney but not under any new player protection, just like anybody else play at your own risk

Diva Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Warrior Joined: 20 Dec 2011 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 416	Post Options Post Reply Quote Diva Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Sep 2016 at 18:49
	A controlled environment with in their alliance teaches teamwork, allowing them to learn battle stats, equipment, timing, losses, etc. in a non-war. It is King of the Hill which is not player-based aggression. All these things are needed if the trainee is going to join in with war-proned alliances and have some understanding of what is going to happen. I think it is NOT off-base to let them play in Tournaments.
	"Um diva.... you are sort of acting like a .... diva...." - PhoenixFire

Rill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rill Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Sep 2016 at 19:10
	Training alliances should definitely participate in tournaments (if they wish to). It's a great way to learn. The limitations on HOW training alliances should compete in a variety of ways in Illy (including but not limited to placement of cities) is an interesting one, but probably beyond the scope of this discussion.

Djehuti Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List New Poster Joined: 21 Dec 2015 Status: Offline Points: 37	Post Options Post Reply Quote Djehuti Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Sep 2016 at 22:01
	@Tensmoor: +1

Princess Botchface Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 24 Sep 2014 Status: Offline Points: 122	Post Options Post Reply Quote Princess Botchface Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Sep 2016 at 09:12
	Low risk PVP is a perfect opportunity for new players to throw down and get an idea of what long term engagement is like. Vets like to hog all the PVP for themselves, what about the little guys?