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    Posted: 11 Jul 2013 at 18:14
current game play doesnt require players to have a military. maybe when factions come alive or we have pathfinding that will change things. personally i got tired of providing for a million spear army and have reduced it so i dont have to log in much. but people should play as they want and right now for me its all waiting for broken lands and hoping the game changes....signed a former warmonger that has accepted the play of the game...grins politely with white pearly teeth
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2013 at 16:45
You read my posts like the devil reads the Bible. New players don't benefit from raiding others - they get no resources worth mention, they get meager amounts of xp, they only make enemies to hinder them later on - Which is bad, and you'll have to excuse me if that isn't clear enough I cant be bothered to explain it to you.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2013 at 22:58
You don't get much out of military knowledge in the long run? What are you talking about? The most active big Illy players tend to be tournament fighters, and every big alliance has capable warfighters. Many more people hunt for hides and animal parts. The military aspect is an ingrained part of Illyriad, especially in the long run.

You are suggesting that new players might get bored, and that those with a military might attack smaller players out of boredom. Sure, that's possible. But you make it sound like 100% of bored new players might do that. How many attacks have you seen announced in GC this year? I've probably seen less than 10. I would bet that 99% of new players would happily hunt animals and earn experience, because that's exactly what you so in most MMORPGs.

If some jerk tried to siege a tiny newb for abusing 50 militiamen, I think you would see lots of big players step in to stop things from getting carried away. Persistent, deliberate trolls get sieged. The clueless newb skirmisher, not so much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2013 at 20:45
Learning takes times is all Im saying, and Illy takes patience to get to know. Many players who come from other MMO's will experience that progress come far less easy here (as we prefer it), and as such the prospect of playing with armies (small or big doesnt really matter you can always find someone slightly smaller than you to pick on) can seem attractive to those who grow impatient or bored - regardless of what they stand to gain in resources etc.

What I mean to say is Brandmeister that mistakes are not free of cost in Illy. If you act with aggression towards other players it sticks with you for a long time and you must be prepared to fend off other aggressors who now find that they have a "legitimate excuse" to raid and harass or even flat out siege said newbies cities. I dont think many GC people will rush to the defense of a raider (I could be wrong ofc.)

I dont stipulate that people should not be allowed to play with armies right off the bat, I just don't believe you get much out of that playing style in the long run. To me its about being a good mentor to newcommers first and foremost, but I leave the decision - and the consequences to the players themselves.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2013 at 20:10
T, I don't think you understand the military good/bad behavior any more clearly if you spend two weeks grinding out resource plots. You learn by asking, or for some people, by making mistakes. You are not able to harm yourself with a small army. Certainly other players can use a conflict as an excuse to beat up newbs (and GC has many such people), but the actual damage that can be inflicted with 100 axemen is negligible. The learning opportunities far outstrip any potential hazards.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2013 at 16:03
I think people are talking past eachother. No one really cares if newbies build military - their alliances may encourage them to grow first (as it makes sense to develope your infrastructure if you're hanging around for a longer time), but the real issue I see people taking with newbies building military for the purpose of PVP - which by all means is okay, but experience shows that newbies who choose this path usually fare poorly in general.

So I dont think there is anything wrong in encouraging players to know the game to some depth before they develope the capability to hurt themselves badly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2013 at 06:03
Great post and I concur
Also a +1 to Lyr- great point and a completely agree. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2013 at 02:59
I only got attacked once in the newb ring, and it was by a much bigger player. However, I leveled up the Mage Tower early, and over the first few months it incinerated quite an array of thieves, plus some saboteurs and assassins.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2013 at 02:05
if you're a new player, I would build and maintain a small military as soon as the rainbow ends.  I also always recommend this to new players and will send the equipment to get the started as generally I find the noob ring the most hostile environment there is in all of illy; with new players often testing magic, diplo attacks and even military against other unaligned new players all the time. At least, this was my experience when I joined and also when I made an alt. - M.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2013 at 06:11
I must say I was slightly disappointed by this post. I was expecting a guide designed to help new players learn. :\

I would be very interested in hearing more details how you would suggest a new player learning about military though.

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