Something That's Bugging Me

I didn't read ALL the threads posted, but people "jumping ship" don't have to be newbs, it happens in all alliances big and small. People should play THEIR game, if a leader feels that they have been taken advantage of .. cut back on the EXTRA giving in the beginning .. we had to, but it's no promise that person won't leave you against advice and you feel scammed. You might have advised, resourced -- but the end game is the players. 

Edited by Diva - 30 Apr 2013 at 02:57

KP said it best. Joining a formal training alliance is a two-way commitment.

Obviously you can't stop an alliance from intentionally "poaching" your trainees before they finish. It does strike me as poor form. Dropping out isn't admirable, nor is it especially wise unless the new alliance has a proven track record of teaching new players. Any alliance that systematically encourages your members to leave without graduating could be considered faintly trollish.

I do distinguish systematic vs. occasional behavior. Sometimes people develop friendships in GC, and to me, it's cool if they choose to move. That's different from an alliance spamming your member list with unsolicited IGMs and invitations. That goes double if they disparage the training alliance in the process of convincing new players to move.

KillerPoodle wrote: Leaving before you have completed your training (Luke)... KP

I think it would be a good practice to extrapolate a simple contract between alliances and players.

Terms such as: Activity, participation, graduation requirements, size etc. could all be agreed upon when people join up. Problem is that joining an alliance still has a very indifferent status in Illyriad due to the fact that alliances go for quantity as much as quality. And understandably, when you have room for 100 members why would you aim for less? But as a consequence to this easy attitude towards being part of an alliance, is that you can more or less expect any behaviour in return.

Now for a training alliance picking up all kinds of players new to the game I honestly don't see how this kind of situation can be avoided in the future.

You can't reasonably prohibit an alliance from corresponding with one of your members.
You can't reasonably prohibit a member from leaving (Caus let's face it if push ever came to shove, at their state they'd simply abandon and restart).
You can't reasonably expect to know the mind or motivation of your new members, nor how seriously they will take your "code of conduct", so you are bound to meet this situation again.

However, you can publicly encourage all alliances to not recruit your pre-graduate members, but rather wait till they reach their goals.

My 2 bits.

ES2 wrote: Ossian wrote: Auraya wrote: This is now being resolved via IGM. Thank you for your response - especially Albatross who was most helpful.  I'd like to point out my concern is more for the newbies themselves and not my alliance. Larger alliances often don't have much time to nurture newbies which I feel is a shame and the player concerned was just over a week old, still learning and whilst I was asking him to hold off moving until he understood about the map, sov etc, his new alliance appears not to have an interest.  Still, it is irrelevant now and has been taken care of.  @Grego: Entering Q&S makes them my minions ;) Muahahahahaha! *runs off cackling*   A new player is no one's property. No one player nor alliance can claim ownership of a new player by claiming that they may ( or may not) know more about the game or that they sent them resources! I would be vastly irritated and even more so at those who continually yell "freedom for all" without taking in regards to my essentially stolen goods*.

+1

So many folks love to spout their "freedom" here, but they are no more or less free than in any social group. Freedom does not equate to a license for disrespectful behavior, which this clearly is.

Frankly, If I ran a training alliance and another alliance was doing this, I'd discourage my members from joining that alliance that is poaching simply because of their rude behaviour. You are completely looking out for your newbies' best interests by pointing out negative behavior in an alliance they may be considering because it may be indicative of the alliance culture and you want them to settle somewhere they are going to be happy...