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Loud Whispers 
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Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 19:50 |
 ES2 wrote:
Wouldn't it make sense to declare war on the entire other side, seeing as they in turn may help their ally Harmless?, instead of just harmless?
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Nesse made it pretty clear that the declaration was to defend against sieges, not the total annihilation of team H? He has no beef with all else.
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scaramouche
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Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 18:22 |
lol..messed this up
Edited by scaramouche - 18 Oct 2012 at 18:24
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ES2
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Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 18:21 |
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Wouldn't it make sense to declare war on the entire other side, seeing as they in turn may help their ally Harmless?, instead of just harmless?
Edited by ES2 - 18 Oct 2012 at 18:22
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Nesse
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Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 16:53 |
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Could you please stop discussing the Rhyagelle-Absaroke incident in this thread?
I thought I rather clearly said that the reason Dwarven Druids declared war was as a declaration of support for a confederated alliance that Harmless? declared war on because they were helping another of our confederates defend against sieges. You may take note that we have not declared war on RHY. The reason we have not done that is that they have a dispute with Absaroke that I haven't seen a reason to take a firm stance in, as I have no stake in the mine or mines being disputed and the measures taken on both sides, although escalating, could have been defended as reasonable - probably - with not too much stretching of the truth or imagination.
But Harmless? going into a war to defend sieges ... well, if you think that's reasonable, I don't think anything I say will make any difference.
May the beards of posters grow!
/Nesse
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belargyle
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Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 16:11 |
N. Chadgod wrote:
Yeah, I dont buy any of that. If youre admitting a siege is an act of war then defending yourself cant be worse.
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Then you have never been in fight in your life nor do you understand the limited rules in fightings.
Here is one rule - if you involve yourself in someone else's fight, be prepared to fight.
example: If two people are fighting and you jump in to stop the fight by protecting the other person (ie. blocking some punches and pushing then back a bit to allow some room for the person to get up)
No matter the reason or intention for entering that fight, you just entered the fight and had best be prepared to defend yourself and the other guy.
Thus if one does determine to 'aid', it doesn't matter YOUR opinion of what you did, it matters how the opposing side sees it. You can call it aid all you want, but the fact is, when you use force to 'aid' you have swung your fist and connected. You have entered the fight and it IS aggression - whether one considers it positive or negative is others call.
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Rorgash
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Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 15:44 |
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Yea :/ SkB and ABSA both confirmed it, as did RHY and H?
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Sisren
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Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 14:46 |
Buridan wrote:
Sisren wrote:
The issue with #2 isn't ABSA, it was SkB. SkB requested ABSA to attack RHY. |
I'm sorry, but that is entirely speculation on your part.
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Really? It's the presented position stated many times and rather clearly in other posts...
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hellion19
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Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 12:16 |
N. Chadgod wrote:
Yeah, I dont buy any of that. If youre admitting a siege is an act of war then defending yourself cant be worse.
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More so the argument was that having others joining a war between SkB + ABSA vs RHY escalated the situation. Up to that point it would of simply been just another small war between the 3 of roughly equal sized sides. Calling in someone that is nearly larger than all 3 combined caused the mess that your in currently. Which I explained a little better in my previous post...
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Rorgash
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Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 12:04 |
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i think people are forgetting that this started with Skb and not absa. but i dont care, the war is going and im happy :)
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N. Chadgod
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Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 11:52 |
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Yeah, I dont buy any of that. If youre admitting a siege is an act of war then defending yourself cant be worse.
Edited by N. Chadgod - 18 Oct 2012 at 11:53
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