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Drejan 
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 Topic: War game or not?
Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 16:42 |
I'm reading many people who say this is not a war game. I think this is not ONLY a wargame but its CORE IS a strategic wargame for sure. The economy is basad on troops used, without troops killed there would not been any economy at all (no need of anything) and the game would have died in less than 6months. Just imagine a bug where you can't do any military movement for a year.... That's why without real wars devs added tournments. And dimplomacy if not for fear of attacks would not be needed and so lot less developped, just see players activities under wars or tournments.... The map too would not be needed if not for a military strategic point of view...
A game designed not as a wargame is lot different, would involve lot of resource consumed by cities, population managment, more like sim-city.
Opinions?
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Elmindra
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 16:53 |
I totally agree that a major part of Illy seems to be geared towards war. From my point of view that doesn't seem to be the major issue so much as a really obvious attempt to pursue a smear campaign against a certain confed. I have no problem getting attacked or even getting destroyed. It is just a game. But I have a problem with half baked attempts to justify actions in order to sway public opinion in order to self justify even further actions.
Just my 2c
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Rill
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 16:56 |
This game is what we make of it. It reflects who we are. Hopefully we are the sort of people who can respect ourselves in the morning. 
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Drejan
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 17:07 |
I do not want to talk about what it's happening now, it's a general discussion that might be valid from now to the end of illyriad!
 Rill wrote:
It reflects who we are. |
NO! It's a game! But let's split the discussion:
I respect myself every morning Rill but enjoy play a wargame. This is not my life for sure
Edited by Drejan - 12 Oct 2012 at 17:10
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KillerPoodle
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 17:11 |
Elmindra wrote:
But I have a problem with half baked attempts to justify actions in order to sway public opinion in order to self justify even further actions.
Just my 2c |
But that's part of the game too. The diplomacy, the intrigue, the private pacts, the posturing, the backstabbing, the claims of being a peaceful group of folks who just want to "get along" and "help each other out". If all you do is build your cities, harvest resources, kill some NPC's and participate in the odd tourney then you're missing out on a lot of what this game has to offer...
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Southern Dwarf
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 17:14 |
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Better to miss something than to be taking the fun of others away.
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Also known as Afaslizo ingame.
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Drejan
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 17:17 |
Southern Dwarf wrote:
Better to miss something than to be taking the fun of others away. |
Actually i'm not talking of players wars, that might be NPC fights too. But this is a war game, wihout fights there would be no game at all. And sandbox is not an excuse, there's no game in an emty sandbox...
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Bonaparta
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 17:18 |
Illyriad is a war game, no doubt about that. All actions you can do are directly or indirectly linked to gaining power of different kinds, mostly military power. For majority of human history war was considered pinnacle of all human activities, because to be triumphant in war you need to develop every aspect of society... good economy, technology, science, diplomacy, trade,... There are many competent scientific theories that claim human interspecies hostility is the most important factor in development of human intelligence...
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Anjire
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 17:20 |
Bonaparta wrote:
There are many competent scientific theories that claim human interspecies hostility is the most important factor in development of human intelligence...
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This was a major theme in almost all of Frank Herbert's books.
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Southern Dwarf
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 17:20 |
Drejan wrote:
Southern Dwarf wrote:
Better to miss something than to be taking the fun of others away. |
Actually i'm not talking of players wars, that might be NPC fights too. But this is a war game, wihout fights there would be no game at all. And sandbox is not an excuse, there's no game in an emty sandbox... |
Are you sure? I got pretty much to do in game without fighting. If you think the world empty look again.
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Also known as Afaslizo ingame.
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