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   Given that TLR is involved in another conflict involving TOR, We've decided now is not the time to raise the issue regarding the ToS. We'll wait until TLR are free from other obligations before raising the issue again. 
(This change is to assist TLR by not giving them more stress while they are having other issues. [T.R.O] will address the issue again at a more appropriate time).

Edited by Thordor - 26 Sep 2012 at 00:40

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Thordor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 14 Jul 2011 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 44	Topic: Changed topic. Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 23:08
	Given that TLR is involved in another conflict involving TOR, We've decided now is not the time to raise the issue regarding the ToS. We'll wait until TLR are free from other obligations before raising the issue again. (This change is to assist TLR by not giving them more stress while they are having other issues. [T.R.O] will address the issue again at a more appropriate time). Edited by Thordor - 26 Sep 2012 at 00:40

bansisdead Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 609	Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:07
	seems to me The Red Order are taking The Short Road outta it, if TLR siege encampments continued why wait till now to complain? horse bolted stables, bit late to complain now don't you think?


ES2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 25 Sep 2012 Status: Offline Points: 550	Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:08
	Hello Thordor of The Red Order, I would like to counter your comments here with my own comments, since it is on the forums I am going to assume it is open for debate. We can both agree that You, Thordor leader of The Red Order agreed to the Terms of Surrender in the war between The Red Order and The Long Road, correct? Looking at the Terms of Surrender which is the Terms you agreed upon acting for your alliance that you were and still are leading we can see there are multiple terms that you agreed to fulfill upon your acceptance, correct? Looking at the Terms of Surrender we can see there is not a clause that dictates the Terms of Surrender is void if The Long Road attacks a The Red Order, army, caravan,harvester, or city, correct? We can also agree a ToS is a Terms of Surrender not a Peace Treaty, a Peace Treaty would have detailed clauses for peace between the former warring parties, not dictate terms that the surrendering party must fill out once accepted by the surrender party, correct? So I am confused as to why you believe that a ToS= a peace treaty or that imaginary clauses stating whatever action The Long Road takes makes the ToS you accepted void. I would like to ask, if this ToS was accepted by you(thordor, the acting leader of The Red Order) on the 18th of July, 2012 and the war against The Long Road started by Aesir sometime shortly after (within 2-10 days) when the attack that The Long Road sent landed on a The Red Order army, why did you speak up now? Edited by ES2 - 26 Sep 2012 at 00:11
	Eternal Fire

bansisdead Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 609	Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:24
	EF is right, he broke no rules of the ToS, by reneging on this agreement you are breaking those ToS. If you cannot stand by what you agree don't make those agreements, as in future others will not be so kind as to accept terms of surrender, if you cannot abide by those terms.


Thordor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 14 Jul 2011 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 44	Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:40


Thordor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 14 Jul 2011 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 44	Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:41
	I can see where you're both coming from, and I respect your opinions, but now isn't the time to talk about this. We'll review it when TLR are free of other diplomatic situations.

bansisdead Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 609	Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:45
	Erm Thordor, no disrespect to you but you brought it up, and you also brought it up in GC, it seems to me you are playing games? Is this a serious issue or are you taking the Micheal, as it appears this is just a big wind up to you.


Rill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903	Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:47
	Thor, I really appreciate you taking this down for the moment. There's only so much I can stand watching Eternal Fire and fromfrak deceive people and create controversy. Since fromfrak's 40 siege engines are yet again busy decimating another town they promised to withdraw from, it is quite obvious what their word is worth.

bansisdead Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 609	Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:49
	separate issues. Rill if you have a problem with eternal fire, start a new thread instead of derailing this one. Ok but they are separate issues and should be dealt with separately. This is not the place to discuse TOR problems is it? EF may have annoyed you over other issues, but this issue is straight cut, and irrelevent to the TOR issue, and in that respect shouldnt be confused, imo. and sry if I sound rude, I really dont mean to. Edited by bansisdead - 26 Sep 2012 at 00:55


Rill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 6903	Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:49
	I asked him to leave it, bans, I am hoping we can get the issue with TLR and TOR resolved sometime this year, or while Gemley still has a town left. It think Thor raises some legitimate points, but given EF's propensity to confuse every issue, there's no need giving him extra ammunition.