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dunnoob 
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 Topic: Production Queues
Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 23:36 |
 The_Dude wrote:
I really don't understand what the bug did. |
It removed trade v1 production items from their queues. You didn't get what you wanted, and the invested resources incl. any cows were lost. Your suggestion to restore the invested resources won't work for folks at the limit of their warehouse.
Just adding the removed items at the end of their queues was a best effort fix: Only folks who demolished the building incl. its queues ended up as bad as before (invested resources lost), with a system message confirming the loss.
You have not really lost time, the queued items were not ready, they were in progress. After the fix they are again queued and in progress. E.g., at one point my usual 999 jumped to 854, I never saw that the 145 items were not really produced, and filled the queue again to 999. After the fix this queue contained 1144=999+145 items, no time lost, no resources lost, only more than I normally put in a queue.
| That said ... Whatever. |
+1 There was no ideal solution.
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The_Dude
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Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 21:02 |
GM ThunderCat wrote:
Advanced Resource Queues
There has been the occasional discrepancy in what the advanced resource queues are queued to produce and what they produce. This discrepancy was introduced when buildings were upgraded and sovereignty claims changed and the build times for the remaining items on the queues changed.
Additionally in the last few days a bug was introduced which would even more quickly reduce the amounts queued at these change points.
With the introduction of the crafted goods which uses a much more robust production system, we have taken the time to fix both these issues with advanced resource production; and added to the end of your town's production queues the production that has been lost from these queues, recently™.
If you have a bunch of items in your production queues that you didn't expect, this is why.
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OK, I really don't understand what the bug did. But I do know that your "fix" now has added many days to my production queues. I set my queues on Sunday for 7 day builds - this allows me a bit of flexibility especially in Blacksmith. If a prior week's queue was not properly completed, the proper fix would be to credit my INVENTORY with the advanced goods that my factory 1) paid for with resources, and 2) paid for with time. As I understand you, your fix is now double charging me with the production time. Further, it appears that some of the "fixes" credited my queues with a full 7 days production even though only 1 day remained to complete the original order - since the bug originated on Sat and my 7 day queues would have completed on Sun.
That said ... Whatever.
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GM ThunderCat
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Posted: 12 Sep 2012 at 00:07 |
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The_Dude
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Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 23:35 |
Aurordan wrote:
I think TC mentioned earlier that resources taken out of the que due to bugs had been put back. Where you missing any? |
If you are talking to me, I have no idea. I do not monitor my basic resources that closely.
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Aurordan
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Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 23:28 |
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I think TC mentioned earlier that resources taken out of the que due to bugs had been put back. Where you missing any?
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The_Dude
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Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 23:27 |
I'm certain that I only ordered a 7 day build of cows in this city which is the top line. The 2nd item is unfamiliar to me.
City Affected = Fort Defiance
Production Schedule
SAME CITY:BOOKS Production Schedule
SAME CITY - THE CHAINMAIL IS DEFINITELY NOT ANYTHING I ORDERED.Production Schedule
SAME CITY - THE 2ND LINE OF PRODUCTION IS NOT ANYTHING I ORDERED.Production Schedule
SAME CITY - THIS IS NOT MY ORDER.Production ScheduleEl_Jeffe's Enterprise has similar problems.
Edited by The_Dude - 11 Sep 2012 at 23:38
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The_Dude
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Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 23:23 |
GM Luna wrote:
I don't believe Google Wallet and the production queue bug were related in any way.
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I'm sorry. I was confused because I thought I saw the production queue bug discussed in the Google Wallet announcement. My bad. 
Anyway, the bug has infested many of my towns. I need an exterminator! Or pointier boots.
Edited by The_Dude - 11 Sep 2012 at 23:24
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arnesson
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Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 22:46 |
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Thundercat, producing Livestock costs 5 gold per unit. My cities have added 330,112,45,138,303 ADDITIONAL production to what I had established prior to the bug. I revied resource production when I log in every day. So I know what I had scheduled. My Saddle-maker, is the same, as is the Blacksmith in most towns.
Your point about "restoring lost production". I can see replacing 1 or 2 being lost, but dozens? or hundreds? That makes no sense at all to me.
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GM ThunderCat
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Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 22:20 |
arnesson wrote:
Luna, your answer leaves me even more confused! I did not have all those extra production items in my queues, and my gold income has been greatly reduced as a result of these additions to my queues. In one city, I came dangerously close to being negative gold/hour!
Is it within your power, or some other GM, to reverse those added lines and return the resources and income to where they should be???
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Item builds do not cost any gold upkeep. This is more likely due to units you have produced or something similar.
Please check your taxation page for details.
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GM ThunderCat
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Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 22:13 |
The extra entries are from previous builds you had queued and which had finished, but where not all items had been produced; due to various bugs. We have now fixed these bugs and put the items back on your queues.
This has not cost you any extra resources, you paid the costs previously in the past. You are completely free to cancel these builds.
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