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Ector 
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 Topic: What's the profit of Chancery of Estates?
Posted: 26 Dec 2011 at 08:38 |
I've tried to build the Chancery, and it requires a serious upkeep. At 20th level it costs 449 food/h, 800 wood/h, 3,200 clay/h, and 1,600 stone/h. This provides 40% discount to L1 sov claims, which I guess translates to all sov. There are two questions: 1). How many sov squares do you need to justify the Chancery? Making the taxes higher to compensate for the upkeep will provide extra money. I don't know the math though. 2). Do I have to build Chancery prior to claiming sov to get the effect, or I will get a discount even if I build Chancery after that?
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Faldrin
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Posted: 26 Dec 2011 at 09:00 |
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You get the discount no matter when you build. But in my oppinion the Estate is waste of resources no matter how much sov you have.
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Rill
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Posted: 26 Dec 2011 at 22:06 |
The benefits of the Chancery do not appear to have much to do with economics. As noted, the benefits for claiming sov for economic reasons (by building structures) appear to be nonexistent.
The Chancery allows one to efficiently claim large swathes of sov for political reasons, such as marking territory. So far there is not a compelling in-game reason to do this, as territorial issues tend to be worked out through diplomacy (talking).
It is possible that in the future there will be compelling reasons to lay claim to large amounts of territory through sovereignty. The devs have hinted at such possibilities.
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Sloter
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Posted: 26 Dec 2011 at 22:35 |
Chancery is like a bottle of water that has different value for man in desert and for man sitting by the river.It sounds strange but it is only way to describe it in short.To some players it has no value and to some it has huge value.I have Chancery in every city up to lvl 17-18 and i never regret it so far.< id="gwProxy" ="">< jscode="leoInternalChangeDone" ="ifofjsCall==''jsCall;elsesetTimeout'jsCall',500;" id="jsProxy" ="">
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Ander
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Posted: 27 Dec 2011 at 01:54 |
 Ector wrote:
I've tried to build the Chancery, and it requires a serious upkeep. At 20th level it costs 449 food/h, 800 wood/h, 3,200 clay/h, and 1,600 stone/h. This provides 40% discount to L1 sov claims, which I guess translates to all sov. There are two questions:
1). How many sov squares do you need to justify the Chancery? Making the taxes higher to compensate for the upkeep will provide extra money. I don't know the math though.
2). Do I have to build Chancery prior to claiming sov to get the effect, or I will get a discount even if I build Chancery after that?
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Consider yourself running at 25% tax, you would have 1000 RP from library and 100 RP from the mysterious statues quest. If you claim sovereignty for all your RP's worth, you would be spending 11,000 gold per hour. You could run on 0% tax and have 1350 RP and spend 13,500 gold on sovereignty - that is the peak value. Unless you run at negative RP, you are NEVER going to spend more gold than 13,500 per hour on sovereignty.
The chancery lets you only to claim more sovereignty squares using that same amount of gold and RP. Since you cant build on all those tiles, it is never going to be really profitable in terms of gold.
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Dew
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Posted: 09 May 2012 at 19:24 |
Rill wrote:
The Chancery allows one to efficiently claim large swathes of sov for political reasons, such as marking territory. So far there is not a compelling in-game reason to do this, as territorial issues tend to be worked out through diplomacy (talking).
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it is worth noting that this benefit can be gained by building the chancery to level 20; then researching the relevant technology (serjeanty). then the building can be destroyed and the benefits retained as tech research is never (well almost never, see capturing cities) destroyed.(and since you should be researching the lower tech in chain as the building goes up; which amounts to about 7 days of a lvl 20 chancery. though this is a bit exploity.
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Rohk
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Posted: 09 May 2012 at 19:30 |
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True Dew, but it would be hard to afford 150 level 1 squares let alone even 50 squares without the Chancery discount.
Edited by Rohk - 09 May 2012 at 19:31
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scaramouche
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Posted: 09 May 2012 at 19:35 |
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only good thing about maxing chancery is to complete the sovereignty research tree!
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Salararius
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Posted: 09 May 2012 at 19:38 |
At lvl 20 farms, if you set your tax rate to between 25-50% then you get more gold by claiming sov, building farmsteads and increasing your population. The exact "break even tax rate" depends on the gold cost of the sov which varies with the distance of the sov square from your city.
The ultimate limit on this scheme is when you run out of research points. The Chancery reduces the resource point cost of each sov square allowing you to sov more and get higher pop and therefore more buildings and gold. The cost of this scheme is the resources to maintain the Chancery but you get a bigger city and more gold as a result.
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Bonaparta
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Posted: 09 May 2012 at 20:29 |
Salarious your logic is flawed.
The strategy you describe certainly works, but you don't claim level 1 food sovs, but higher... Since chancery only reduces level 1 sov costs it is useless in that regard. Regarding sov, the real limit is rather only 20 sov buildings...
The only thing why someone would want to build chancery is to claim large amounts of lvl 1 sov, which currently wouldn't do him any good except boost alliance place in the ladder...
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