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StJude 
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Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 23:59 |
I figured I would start this here and save the devs the hassle of moving it later on.
When you can't clear the wreckage yourself, find a new place to crash.
Simple Question: Why is it wrong to attack newbs?
Anyone willing to answer that?
Edited by StJude - 30 Sep 2011 at 00:05
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Tordenkaffen
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 00:02 |
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To answer that you would first have to define: What constitutes a newb?
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Tordenkaffen
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 00:05 |
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Also I would say that the reason you have to attack a newbie (pending definition) is rather crucial.
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StJude
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 00:05 |
Fair point, this game is complex.
I would argue, once you hit 450 pop you are no longer a newb. Will that work as a definition?
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StJude
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 00:06 |
 Tordenkaffen wrote:
Also I would say that the reason you have to attack a newbie (pending definition) is rather crucial.
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Me too, several people will see where I am going with this, which is why I suspect most of the Coalition of 6 will stay out of this.
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Tordenkaffen
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 00:13 |
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Well not really sure. I define a newbie as a player who is defenseless. This means having no defense, and no contacts ingame.
Its been a while since my pop was 450, so memory is a little rusty, but assuming it is possible to raise a small army or a significant amount of diplomats, these may be a contributing factor in an attack - as they themselves will be able to harm/harass other players.
In my view there are players with over a 1000 population, who are newbies not by virtue of their population but by severe lack of experience with Illyriad.
On the flipside you could bring in the example of TD who with a miniscule population and no virtually no units succeeded in defeating and removing a seasoned opponent with over 10000 pop. Simply because he knew Illy better than his adversary and had contacts in Illy upon his return to the game.
So its not a simple question to answer Jude.
Edited by Tordenkaffen - 30 Sep 2011 at 00:21
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Tordenkaffen
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 00:31 |
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All in all Jude, I think the newbies issue comes down to not picking on those trying to get to grips with the game, but to set your ambitions a little higher. Its quite easy for an established player to run off with basic resources from an unprotected city, but its unnecessary and very unkind.
On the other hand, larger accomplished players should not overreact if a smaller player has courage to try and rob him of a few advanced resources. If caught, the player in question could expect some form of retaliation, but nothing even close to a siegecamp or the like.
So ultimately its about doing what serves the game best, meaning creating a culture where "the lowest blow" is frowned upon and showing courage is acknowledged.
If ever this culture was cast in stone and followed by the Illyriad player population our wars would have different character altogether.
My 2c
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StJude
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 00:33 |
Tordenkaffen wrote:
So ultimately its about doing what serves the game best, meaning creating a culture where "the lowest blow" is frowned upon and showing courage is acknowledged.
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Thank you Sir. That Sums up 35,000 pages of outrage for me.
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Tordenkaffen
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 00:36 |
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Youre welcome sir, but please consider the contribution in its entirety - as excerpts do not convey the full meaning of my post.
Off to bed for me.
Tataa...
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StJude
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 00:39 |
Tordenkaffen wrote:
Youre welcome sir, but please consider the contribution in its entirety - as excerpts do not convey the full meaning of my post.
Off to bed for me.
Tataa...
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Understood, i was looking for something short, sweet and succinct. I realize that this is 10 gatrillion times more complicated than this.
If you feel you have been unfairly represented and let me know when you wake up that I have done so. I will remove my post or edit it.
But I think this drives home my point better than anything else I can do or say.
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