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GM ThunderCat
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Topic: 21JUL11 - Mobiles, other Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 18:33 |
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MisterNo
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Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 18:04 |
What is going on with mobile payment?
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Wrothful
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Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 21:10 |
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From reading Mandarins31's post and the long chain about -ve food production, it seems clear that the devs did not consider (all) the potential outcomes of -ve production. I do not blame them for this, after all the vets of this game must have logged much more "play" time and being a far greater number of individuals will undoubtedly have pursued more avenues and strategies than the devs will have considered.
Nevertheless, it must/should appear to those who have employed the -ve production tactics that the tactics now banned as "cheating" were unintended. As many others have posted -ve production in any normal life situation has devastating consequences so why any different here?
As a new-ish player I am just starting out on use of sov, and starting with my capital I therefore have balanced resource fields and (near enough) balanced production. Therefore if I increased both my tax and sov to reduce my production severely I could see this town becoming very difficult to manage. However, with any 7 food town I could see (based on Mandarins31's post above) a distinct advantage of specialising in production of one of several advanced resources (ones which require no food and no stone for example) so that there would be NO disadvantage at all of going into -ve stone production and every advantage in increasing tax and sov to maximise production of whatever advanced resource (or troop) I had chosen.
Following my own statement above that -ve production must have devastating consequences this scenario shows a disconnect, a flaw, an unintended consequence that should be fixed.
Maybe one solution is to break the linear reduction in all basic resources of an increase in tax or an increase in sov? By all means keep the overall cost of tax/sov at the same level as it is at the moment, but let the player decide which resources to sacrifice to raise tax/sov as part of city specialisation. And add a ban on -ve production of any basic resource as has been done for food to force compliance.
Would this work??
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Mandarins31
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Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 20:01 |
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i totally agree John, sounds 100% logic said like that. but if you played the game since the beginig you might have also seen things as vets did. also, having negative food prod or basic prod and 0 stockpiled is not a pure advantage. when its about the food, you cant start a production or do anything if you dont send some food. truth is that that would be more logic, if, as u said, people in your town stopped producing the actual queued weapons/buildings, until you feed em. and about the negative basic thing, with this "cheat" it's actually barely impossible to produce things in the town as it's too hard to send huge amouts of basic ressources. so you lose a city if we talk about adv ressources production. but your right, the more logic would be to lose sov tile/buildings lvls, or at least lose the bonus given by sov. well, all that to say that these tactics didnt give a pure advantage on other players that didn't use it. when using it you have to consider te great advantages... but also the great disadvantage, and the added playing time it asked also. That's one of the reasons that explain the fact that many players didnt see these "tactics" as exploits.
Edited by Mandarins31 - 09 Aug 2011 at 20:03
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JohnChance
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Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 18:27 |
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I would think that is a cheat yes. Of course I interpretted the stated food rules to mean that if I got to zero stored food EVERYTHING stopped . . . including Q's I'd already set up, and the timers for the buildings I already had going up. The only thing I could do was build food plots or buy food.
I don't consider these "loopholes" or "exploits" but rather bad program rule enforcement and pure cheating. I know that's a personal opinion, but its rather disappointing that I, as a new player, read the rules and planned to play by them, while other players found these "loopholes" didn't report them in a ticket, and are not getting HARSHLY punished for cheating.
Reading the rules for sov squares I also thought that if I couldn't support my sov I lost levels of the building, or they stopped working. Sounds like the devs have a real problem. They set up a system of balances where we have to play strategically, and then they don't enforce it, so players CAN cheat and gain huge advantage by doing things that are, on the face of it, simply non viable strategies.
There would be no problem here IF, from the start, you hit zero resources, couldn't pay your bills and lost your slots, and you hit zero food, couldn't feed your people, and they stopped working. People read the rules, same as me, and they simply would have spread the word: Those guys are serious! You have to have food and resources to pay your bills or stuff simply doesn't work.
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Mandarins31
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Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 07:17 |
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Well i have a question. i suppose that having negative basic ressources (wood,clay,iron,ston) production, having 0 stockpiled and not losing any sov tile/building level is also seen as a game abuse right? I would just like to be clear on that point as im actually using this largely in one of my cities. If you use this tactic at its maximum (at 0% tax and lvl 20 library) you can have +400% production for the chosen unit/adv ressource, while being running out of average -30k of basic ressources.
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Brids17
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Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 22:29 |
GM ThunderCat wrote:
We have postponed the Sitters and Food change until 31st August. |
Thank god...My internet is fried and I was worried I wouldn't have it back up by the 12th or 14th or whatever it was. If I don't have it back by the 31st it wont matter, I'll surely have gone mad by then.
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bucky
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Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 15:14 |
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+1 to dhenna and erik dirk's requests for linked alt/main accounts
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"If you are the master be sometimes blind, if you are the servant be sometimes deaf." - R. Buckminster Fuller
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Erik Dirk
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Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 13:05 |
By the way, about the new sitter rules, I rarely sit accounts, however I have my alt as one of the accounts I sit to easily change between them, would it be possible to link two accounts if you have both passwords, (may also make it easier to track multi accounters)
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Nesse
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Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 15:23 |
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I created a new thread about ideas for taxation mechanisms. Thought it relevant to post a link here: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=2235&title=how-does-this-taxation-work-anyways
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