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    Posted: 11 Jan 2012 at 04:56
Trolls. Horrid creatures. Give them pink socks and make them dance for their supper.

Beyond that, which might make sense to anyone that heard a convo on GC insults the other night, foul mouth creatures need to go.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 16:46
Originally posted by Nilock Nilock wrote:

Would people who raid players that had there protection end count as trolls?
cuz i really hate noob hunters.


No - they might be griefers though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 14:57
OMG... Rill is still Illy's encyclopedia!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Dec 2011 at 07:42
Originally posted by Nilock Nilock wrote:

Would people who raid players that had there protection end count as trolls?
cuz i really hate noob hunters.

In my opinion, generally no.

A troll is someone who has no intention of interacting with the game, but only of causing trouble.  (From wikipedia: an internet term for a person who, through willful action, attempts to disrupt a community or garner attention and controversy through provocative messages)

Raiding new players is a valid way of interacting with game mechanics, albeit one I think may be counterproductive to the growth of Illyriad because it may discourage new players from continuing with the game.  I also think it is legitimate to use game mechanics to inhibit other people's ability to attack players who cannot defend themselves, if one so chooses, both by providing education and resources to the new players themselves and by more direct intervention, depending on the situation.

It might be possible to be a troll by attacking new player in hopes of garnering attention and controversy.  In that case, a player who is attacking players just out of protection, or for example randomly sieging smaller players and boasting of these attacks to provoke a confrontation, could be seen as acting trollishly.

However, in my opinion, all uses of legitimate game mechanics should be given the benefit of doubt with regard to motivation; the line between metagaming and pure trollery is a very fine one.  Therefore, although I might have private thoughts about particular behaviors being engaged in primarily to garner attention and create controversy rather than for legitimate game purposes, I try to remember that my judgments are influenced by my own biases and life experiences.

In particular, I try to keep in mind the fundamental attribution error, which is "tendency to over-value dispositional or personality-based explanations for the observed behaviors of others while under-valuing situational explanations for those behaviors." (Also wikipedia, although it corresponds to what I recall from my social psych texts.)  In other words, one's own experience of one's motivation might be that one was provoked to take a particular action, or that it was legitimate based on the game context, while another person might attribute the same action to a desire to start trouble or create controversy.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Dec 2011 at 06:52
Would people who raid players that had there protection end count as trolls?
cuz i really hate noob hunters.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 14:34
IF YOU GOTTA A PROBLEM WIV TROLLS LOOK NO FURVER

Just call 'Arry. He seen off that tossed piece of lettuce Aneirin and LH not once but twice and ....AND last time he got the girl into the bargain

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I think I love you just a little bit Harry lol


PHOOAARR! GO ON MY SON!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 16:17
Suggestions:
1. Link or merge forum accounts to game accounts (the current separation is just a technicality of two different login systems), then users will have reputation to consider.
2. Require users to link their accounts as belonging to the same real person, and make this part of ToS. Game rules to prevent in-game exploits are enforcible, corruptive meta-gaming isn't so easy if these links are available for inspection, and anyone found failing to declare links can face GM-Banhammer consequences.

It's unfortunate that we're thinking about ways to tackle troll/cheat problems, as it indicates that trust alone isn't enough in all cases.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 13:11
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 10:52
Originally posted by RatuJone RatuJone wrote:

Seems to me an easy solution would be to change the ToS.......NO Alts!!! Single accounts only and banning if or rather when alts are discovered.Wink
 Ratujone is right. This the simplest and most honest solution and yet it is the one which has been avoided by the Devs since the game was in its ealriest stages of development. 
 
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Just as news editors like to create moral panics and folk devils to boost their tabloid's circulation so Illy's GM's have encouraged the labelling of trolls by categorising their tactics as "metagaming".
The use multiple accounts is not confined to "Trolls" but, in fact, is widespread throughout the game. Especially amongst alliance leaders who will tend to  "sit " more and more inactive accounts in order to maintain the alliance's rank. They have also been tempted to multi account with a view to influencing the outcome of Tournaments.  I have evidence on two longstanding alliances where this practise has obviously exceeded the permissable number of accounts controlled by one player. My guess is that the Devs must be aware of this also but, for their own reasons turn a blind eye to it or alternatively redefine the issues that come from it as "metagaming".
 
A return to the simple application of the rules and norms of browser games as suggested by RatuJone above would, I am sure, bring Illyriad back down to earth (pun) with a bump.  We can start returning Illyriad to the direct one player one account strategy game that we all want....
 
...but do the Devs have the integrity to do this across the board applying the rule in a uniform way???? 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 05:33
Seems to me an easy solution would be to change the ToS.......NO Alts!!! Single accounts only and banning if or rather when alts are discovered.Wink
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