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Makanalani 
Greenhorn
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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Points: 67
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 Topic: TMM Crusade
Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 04:49 |
While I agree with the overall justification surrounding the destruction of the TMM, I'm noticing an increasing sense of hostility towards Illyriad members who are merely looking for an elaboration and "hard proof" of Nige's multiple accounts (which I understand is impossible). Reading posts over the last month on forums I have come to respect the opinions of the consensus. Yet, increasingly I think the value of opposition is being lost amongst the hasty formation of arguments against war. There must always be someone to question the legitimacy of actions, for without it, unchecked tyranny would reign over Illyriad. Not many informed people argue with the actions of Harmless, Dark Blight, etc. But, patience should be exercised beyond a coy, "So send him an Invite if you wish to be his champion". TCO may have an argument that is not widely recognized or even one I agree with to be quite honest, but at least he fills the capacity of a verbal check and balance on the current trend of counter-aggression. I must express the highest respect for the Dude on forums and insist that this is not an attack, but rather food for thought:).
-Mak
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"Life is a beautiful struggle"
-New IGN: Mak (Dark Blight)
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Posted: 13 Dec 2010 at 22:00 |
I think that Shrap's issue arose _before_ two important Illy developments:
1) Rule allowing 2 accounts per player had not been implemented.
2) Account sitting had not been implemented.
TCO - Here's the most important matter...If you think Nige is innocent, then send your armies to his cities to help defend him. I reckon he will need to be in your alliance to do this. So send him an Invite if you wish to be his champion.
Secondly, if you think he is being mistreated, then do not participate in the attacks. Just keep your armies at home.
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HonoredMule
Postmaster General
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
Location: Canada
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Posted: 13 Dec 2010 at 18:47 |
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Con Orc, Shrapnel's home IP would have been accessing both players' accounts and Shrapnel himself would have been influencing how his wife's account(s) were managed. Of course that is going to appear suspicious. Noting that the accusation did not result in sentence only proves his actions did not violate game rules. Shrapnel was probably saved by the discovery of differing patterns that could be distinguished between his wife's behavior while logging in directly and his own while sitting and managing his own accounts.
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The Con Orc
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Posted: 13 Dec 2010 at 18:15 |
[QUOTE=HonoredMule]It is possible to legally control up to 6 accounts: two that are directly owned, and for each of those, two more that are accessible through account sitting. Whatever the current situation, it is likely that most of the accounts were originally built by different players. As a result, heuristic analysis would likely not identify commonalities between the accounts. And if the extra accounts are controlled only via sitting, then technically nothing wrong has occurred and any action taken by a GM would lack clear justification.
Not so, Shrapnel once said, he was accused of mutli accounting by the gm's, because he often sat for his wife's acct. obviously he cleared up the matter. but the point still stands.
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Guitar Jesus!
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The_Dude
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Posted: 12 Dec 2010 at 01:27 |
"It is sufficient that our belief informs our tactics and understanding of the enemy."
That is very well put, HM.
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HonoredMule
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Posted: 11 Dec 2010 at 22:56 |
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It is possible to legally control up to 6 accounts: two that are directly owned, and for each of those, two more that are accessible through account sitting. Whatever the current situation, it is likely that most of the accounts were originally built by different players. As a result, heuristic analysis would likely not identify commonalities between the accounts. And if the extra accounts are controlled only via sitting, then technically nothing wrong has occurred and any action taken by a GM would lack clear justification.
Thankfully, we don't need GM's to weigh in on this. Our evidence may be circumstantial, but the level of correlation of these circumstances ranks as highly suspicious. And since controlling more than 6 accounts will signal the GM cavalry, Nige remains well within our capacity to redress. Finally, our primary beef being with the actions of these accounts and not their ownership, we needn't concern ourselves with solid proof of the latter. It is sufficient that our belief informs our tactics and understanding of the enemy.
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fluffy
Forum Warrior
Joined: 02 Mar 2010
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Points: 335
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Posted: 11 Dec 2010 at 22:47 |
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having multiple ip adresses isn't hard...I use multiple on a daily basis, school, home, my cell provider, thats 3, or 6 accounts right there...Im sure the GM's have a way to find out, and Im hopefully sure they wont tell us how they do it...that only makes it easier for people to try to get around it.
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The Con Orc
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Posted: 11 Dec 2010 at 21:37 |
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again I say this, IP adresses aren't what they look at, it's a contributing factor. Take me for example, I have two brothers in my house, they played this game too.
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Brids17
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Joined: 30 Jul 2010
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Posted: 11 Dec 2010 at 21:33 |
 Nokigon wrote:
I'm not going to argue with you TCO, but has it not occured to you that either the GM's are, or there isn't enough proof? Nige, AVa64 and Ragmanon are the same player.Fact. |
The mods can check IP addresses so if he does have multiple accounts they'll know for sure. Unless he's signing on from work or at a friends house for different accounts, though that seems like a lot of work just to have more than 2 accounts.
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The Con Orc
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Posted: 11 Dec 2010 at 20:45 |
question- do you have any hard evidence?
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