yet another siege change thread

I think siege needs three major changes

One - You need to be able to defend from inside. This is generally agreed upon, with the primary means being anti-siege siege weaponry. I support that, but I don't think its enough. You should be able to assassinate siege leaders (relying on the commanders assassination avoidance to make a siege last, and also giving said ability a reasonable use), and you should be able to to send out sabs and the like in an attempt to disable the enemy siege weapons. Basically, siege weapons and diplos can do a lot to disable a siege.

Two - To counterbalance how much HARDER that would make sieges, sieged cities aren't allowed to collect resources, or utilize any building that appears outside the "city wall" during the siege (if we end up getting additional plots outside the wall at some point). This means sieges without siege weapons can still hurt even if they can't conquer a city, and creates a strong incentive to actually USE blockades (and to try and overcome them) since they will be a cities lifeline. A sieged city should NOT be able to continue to produce at the same exact rate while under siege!

Three (counter-counter) - there needs to be a way to eliminate enemy diplomats so they can't simply repeatedly spam your siege camp with assassins and sabs. I'd suggest giving assassins the ability to target diplomats (as mentioned in previous threads), and maybe even a successfull military victory in the city damaging the cities diplomatic reserves. In addition, because infilitrating an active and on guard army camp is a lot more difficult than a infilitrating a city full of unknown civilians, diplomats have a much higher chance of getting caught on these missions, bordering on 90 or 70% (basic and advanced) and a relatively low chance of success, say, 35% and 50% (basic and advanced). 

Combine change one and three with your suggestion to 'reinforce' siege camp with diplos.

A serious siege becomes an even more massive affair of logistics.  I support that.  It is still the final solution that is too easy to use.

what about adding more defensive structures to take the brunt of a sieges attack

be able to build towers, garrisons, etc that when destroyed you can storm a city

these buildings along with the wall will be the main targets of siege equipment but stray shots will land in the city and hit other buildings

this will make cities more profitable/fun to capture and recapture allowing ppl to fight over territory since now once a city is taken your down 1/4 your original pop so recapturing 1/8 just isnt worth it

if you are quick enough in taking a city you could capture 80-90% of it and retaking it would be worth the effort

if you want to raze a city you still need to knock out 3/4 of the cities population, or we could raise it 4/5

i agree with you