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    Posted: 10 Apr 2021 at 23:18
One forgotten detail is the background of the attack on Ryklaw... after the Sindicate war was over a number of Sin players had abandoned and restarted with new accounts or had been ringed. Some Ascn players were still sieging the one towners including in G! which was the reason G! made the demand of Ascn players to exo from their area as far as I know

Anyhow, salute to Ascn for an epic siege, many were Falln but some say the damage is never done
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I see there is (or at least was) more going on than I knew of. Regarding the BL/Stormstone/Trome occurrence which Mano asked of me, to my knowledge it was a matter of a chat ban insult which the details are better forgotten and against forum rules to discuss. I see it as BL towns of the player I mentioned being attacked and then Stormstone and Trome coming in as a package deal as Iron/Saints were not comfortable with Ascn clusters near them afterward.

Regarding Ncrow I was directly aware of the situation and the trigger was Pure Water was believed to have recently moved towns very close to a coalition player leading to the belief this was a set up for a siege by Tcol.

One disputed event I could also mention on was the siege of Hotattack and Rupe. I believe this was triggered by scouting of coalition players before the previous tournament. I personally expected Ascn to attack after that tourney as I don't think they competed for first in it and the scouts were tracked to the Ascn cluster with Hotattack as the believed source (by me and I think others) 

Seeing they did not attack I assume the scouts were actually for tournament purposes, and my expectation of Ascn retaliation for Stormstone was entirely a wrong assessment of their intentions and attitude

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Miss you Ryklaw. I am also enjoying life more outside of Illy.
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Hi Ryklaw! 

If you return to the game again, I have three of your cities that I bought for a hefty sum of 100m gold per town. Thought it would be cool to have some of your towns, since well, they belonged to you, a veteran of the game and had all research done as well as the famine management discoveries. 
You put a lot of work into building your account up. Then one day, after given an ultimatum and after placing your towns in Jurgor, the button was hit. Obviously you could not defend all your towns from the aggressors, who were only looking to have a good fight. It seemed to be a statement. However that statement didn't really work. Players continue to find pleasure in removing others, or attempting to take control of regions. But with that said, coming into the forums to flame the game seems like a meh thing to do. If you don't play anymore, why antagonize the rest of us who enjoy the game? Just curious what your need to do that came from? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Ryklaw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 04:09
A partial truth is still a lie. 

Ryklaw was presented with an ultimatum affecting many honorable players, which included abandonment by Ryklaw without disclosing details... In short, I was forced from the game which BN is well aware.

I have enjoyed a rich life away from Illy for over a year. This brief view into Illy forum reminds me that life is better filled with honest relationships absent of the emotional investment required to respond to digital deceptions. 

I wish all the best
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Apologies, I shall be doing no quotes etc. 
This is a QUICK REPLY... 
I personally am happy this chat became public and grateful for all the opinions and thoughts also. I think illy politics is the biggest thing in the game, and GM StormCrow did once agree on that. What stops some from enojying the game, is when it becomes personal, some like Snaggle~Raps are thick skinned, ;p but not all of us are. Wacko

I do believe Bay, whom I've known a long time (and in RL wish all the best!) may have reacted to a PC a little sooner than should have to this thread he has created.
Terms for "peace", though no war was ever declared all this time Ascn have dealt with aggression in a good few forms, are going to take longer than some may think and hope. 
Reason being, Ascn are unhappy with the close proximity of the new cities in Qaro... 

If there is no agreeable moving of ANY of the cities on the doorstep of where Ascn were first, ceasefire is the maximum anybody can hope for and I sincerely apologise to our friends in the middle of this. We have never actually tried to help TCol actively - but if that is how it is spun, um - Good luck to TCol?  (yep, never dreamt ever would say that XD) 

I think what we all can and should agree on is... please! No more players forced out of the game due to unwelcome PVP, we have lost too many amazing players already! 

Be safe, sensible and respectful folks. 
Regards and Please do continue the thought process here, it surely is the right forum for politics and diplomacy! 

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The arguing was far more interesting to me than peace will be. But I guess we will see how it plays out. 

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Well, I’m happy this is going to end in a peaceful facet. Hopefully we’re all informed about what the agreement will be. As this has been extremely enlightening. Just for the game as a whole to see this be brought about this way. Really looking forward to the end result! Great job Mano and BayNights!
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Agreed with the feedback from everyone here. Thank you Mano for corrected errors where there may have been. Good to see Grom and Snags arguing in the forum :) Ag - this thread is blessed with your presence which is a true achievement. Aurelian, it's good to see you again my battlefield comrade. And Jejune, your guidance is spot on.

I am happy to report that, despite me being almost a day behind on the forums and not having read all the recent posts before our discussion, Mano and I have chatted directly. We are committed to moving on from our past skirmishes and finding not just peace for our members but something better.

We'll make a forum announcement as we finalize details. Once again, appreciate all the interaction here. We have a great community.
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My two cents: there seems to be a desire to decide on whether peace in this conflict can be negotiated or not. Winning an argument on who is ultimately to blame is not how you broker peace. Assigning blame is going to be impossible to agree on -- all of the arguing over what led to the conflict in this forum thread proves this. 

In order to determine if peace can negotiated, both parties need to drop the blame game and simply put on the table what they want. If you can find a middle ground between what both sides want, then you'll have a peace accord. 

This kind of negotiation cannot and should not be conducted multilaterally in the forums. You'll never get to the heart of the negotiation with all of the "noise" from other players (including me). You need to IGM one another one-on-one or grab some time in Slack and hash it out.

But understand this: You will never agree on who is at fault. And that shouldn't be a prerequisite for peace, anyway.

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