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I remember when everyone on the forums weren't so hostile...

Anyway, rather than complaining that this wouldn't work due to cheaters and exploiting (by the way, putting a lot of mana behind a spell isn't manipulation, and questing even though you don't need to isn't either) maybe we should, you know, ask the developers to fix this stuff? Especially considering they already said they would, and then never did? Why get angry with a poster just because the devs haven't fixed a broken system? 
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Yes, they are. Anything someone does with no purpose other than to change a score is exactly manipulation. The point is that it's easier to keep these numbers meaningless then to have them be more complexely meaningless and have to police them. I think most people would rather have the Devs spend time on new things or fixing actual problems.
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Well said, Aurordan.

Brids, one of the consequences of this being a sandbox is that it's possible to game many aspects of the ranking system. I have no problem ignoring ranks as they exist today. They can be manipulated, but they also don't count for anything. However, issuing developer-approved automatic rewards (even cosmetic ones) based on those faulty metrics is a red flag. If there are system rewards, they must be relatively fair and merit-based. As Aurordan points out, the sandbox makes these scores very difficult to police. In my opinion, such effort would be much better spent on new content like faction quests.
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I will make you a medal if you can build a level 20 vault in all 10 of your cities.
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Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

Yes, they are. Anything someone does with no purpose other than to change a score is exactly manipulation. The point is that it's easier to keep these numbers meaningless then to have them be more complexely meaningless and have to police them. I think most people would rather have the Devs spend time on new things or fixing actual problems.

Based on that definition, everything could be considered pointless. Having progression for players is hardly a bad thing, considering the only "end game" this game has besides the scores is gaining 10 cities. Beyond that, unless you want to lose them in a week, you just sit around and wait for a tournament. 

Also, being able to cheat scores *IS* a problem and it should be fixed. 
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Take the rankings away completely - then there's nothing to fix and no incentive for people coming into forums begging for medals.

If something in game is it's only worth doing just for the ranking then it's pretty pointless anyway.
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I find the rankings useful in assessing other players, even if some of the scores can be manipulated.
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Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Take the rankings away completely - then there's nothing to fix and no incentive for people coming into forums begging for medals.

If something in game is it's only worth doing just for the ranking then it's pretty pointless anyway.

Kind of ironic for the leader of the once top alliance, that prided itself with being the top alliance, to say. 
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I'd also give a medal to the person who starts a thread that remains on-topic the longest. 
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Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Take the rankings away completely - then there's nothing to fix and no incentive for people coming into forums begging for medals.

If something in game is it's only worth doing just for the ranking then it's pretty pointless anyway.

Kind of ironic for the leader of the once top alliance, that prided itself with being the top alliance, to say. 


Not really - it's hard to fake city population, land claimed, number of members so it's a different kettle of fish.

I also don't think we've been particularly prideful about being number one for so long - at least not in the "in your face" kind of way you seem to be implying.
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