To Whom It May Concern.

I never suggested you should have settled the issue with diplomacy Lorre. I'm letting you know that even if you all make up interesting declarations of wars, quotes and whatnot, people can still see what's going on. Just wanted to let you know that this practice of masquerading a declaration of war as an act of self and/or world defense is kinda moot, not taking any sides here on the merits of the war, but on how you're presenting your reasons.

Uno wrote: when you want to isolate someone politically you take your diplomat to speak against that someone. This declaration of war is a mere declaration of war, why don't you all guys say "we declare war" instead of claiming all sort of things and calling war with other words such as  "intrasigence that must be countered" "opposing to war (??)" "pressure" "political isolation". War is war. Thank you and come again.  I am not rushing nor accusing one side of being warmongers. I am just highlighting what I think is a wrong course of action, tainted with hypocrisy.

Tordenkaffen wrote: Qwazar wrote: First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. I am (to my knowledge) the only communist in Illyriad mate and Im still here and not doing too shabby. :) Inquisitive minds want to know; are you really having fun with a game when you are comparing your ingame adversaries to the nazis? Do you really think you've listened to the critisizm people presented or have you just been stubbornly insisting to disregards any opinion but your own? Silly was yesterday - hard to believe a game can make you draw such extreme parallels today dude. I genuinely think a breath of fresh air would do you good. Take care wherever the road leads you.

I'm not a commie Tord but i am a socialist sympathizer!

And UNO you rush to take sides on who is the "warmonger" but the fact is, no side is clean. Yes we could have handled how we went to war better but frankly we needed to decide if going to war with Valar was right, regardless of the coalition or not. The simple fact is we voted and the yes won out.

There is much more underneath the surface than the forums portray. It is not a witch hunt, nor is VALAR an innocent scapegoat. I would be right in saying that VALAR and mCrow leadership have never had one positive exchange. Nor have they ever agreed on one situation. If you wish to see us unanimously hated then by all means, carry on your campaign! However i have no doubt that you, if in the same position, would have gone to war.

And as we're quoting left right and center i thought i'd give Jesus a go:
"Let the man who is without sin cast the first stone."

[Edited for grammatical purposes]


Edited by (EOM) Harry - 29 Sep 2011 at 21:38

They won't back down, they back down now and it shows they were in wrong,  they keep fighting, they have a very slim chance of coming out.  At the very least some Valar members will become Martyrs. 

Good luck Valar.

Rill wrote:   I oppose war inflicted by others on those who don't want it.  When I hear Valar say they don't want war and are willing to live and let live, I will be the first to speak for them.  (If The_Dude doesn't beat me to it.)