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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 16:41
Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

 
Ummm ... I have just over 2k population.  I'm not gonna wipe out anybody.  My plan is that as long as the war progresses, I will stand here with my hand out, ready to talk to anyone who wants to make peace.

How Pontiusly Pilateophic! 
ugh..!  I mean ponderously philanthropic! Tongue

/me wonders if this is better or worse than being compared to Hitler or Sauron
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 16:19
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

 
Ummm ... I have just over 2k population.  I'm not gonna wipe out anybody.  My plan is that as long as the war progresses, I will stand here with my hand out, ready to talk to anyone who wants to make peace.

How Pontiusly Pilateophic! 
ugh..!  I mean ponderously philanthropic! Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 15:58
Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

Hmm.. And what if they refuse to come forward for a settlement? How will it end? With the complete wipe out of the alliance? Or the destruction of just the bigger players in the alliance? Do you have a plan?

Ummm ... I have just over 2k population.  I'm not gonna wipe out anybody.  My plan is that as long as the war progresses, I will stand here with my hand out, ready to talk to anyone who wants to make peace.

That's my plan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 15:55
Hmm.. And what if they refuse to come forward for a settlement? How will it end? With the complete wipe out of the alliance? Or the destruction of just the bigger players in the alliance? Do you have a plan?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 15:48
Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I oppose war inflicted by others on those who don't want it.  When I hear Valar say they don't want war and are willing to live and let live, I will be the first to speak for them.  (If The_Dude doesn't beat me to it.)

Rill,
What is it that you expect from them? A statement that they are "willing to live and let live"? Is Illy currently unlivable because of Valar? Or is it like you wouldn't let the Valar live now because they might become a threat in the future? 

You can call a community good if there are always people to come forward and protect the weak against odds. You can call a community good if the people are friendly because that is what their innate nature is. 

If this war is being fought to create a community where no one harms another out of fear, the goal could not have been less noble. Several people will leave the game in bitterness. I cannot foresee how you would feel after the reality has sunk in. 






What I want is a commitment from Valar to be accountable for the behavior of its members.  I would like to hear from Valar leadership that they will instruct their members not to attack Illy players who do not want to participate in the "war" aspects of Illy, and a commitment from them that they will engage in problem-solving of issues that should arise between Valar members and other members of the community.  

I don't mean to suggest that Valar should micro-manage its members, just that when a Valar member infringes on another player's "sandbox" that there be a place to go to resolve the problem.  My perception thus far, based on other people's reports and my own very limited interactions with Valar, is that they have not been responsive to such concerns.  Setting up a mechanism to address this sort of issue would, I think, go a long way toward reducing the tension between Valar and other players.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 15:39
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I oppose war inflicted by others on those who don't want it.  When I hear Valar say they don't want war and are willing to live and let live, I will be the first to speak for them.  (If The_Dude doesn't beat me to it.)

Rill,
What is it that you expect from them? A statement that they are "willing to live and let live"? Is Illy currently unlivable because of Valar? Or is it like you wouldn't let the Valar live now because they might become a threat in the future? 

You can call a community good if there are always people to come forward and protect the weak against odds. You can call a community good if the people are friendly because that is what their innate nature is. 

If this war is being fought to create a community where no one harms another out of fear, the goal could not have been less noble. Several people will leave the game in bitterness. I cannot foresee how you would feel after the reality has sunk in. 

EDIT: I appreciate your efforts to create peace. Valar leadership may be arrogant. But this war has already done more damage to the community than all the past actions of Valar put together. To realize later that you were being part of a gross injustice will be painful.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 15:33
Any Valar member who seeks a road to peace, please message me in the forum or on Illy.  I will do my best to make a road to peace.

This means you, Kurdruk.  Or anyone.  Please, if you want peace, message me and I will do what I can.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 15:25
You all have to get of your high horse. The fact is we have gone to war for the reasons we have stated. THIS IS TRANSPARENCY! We are not hiding any alternate reasons for this war with you. The fact is we don't like how VALAR play and we have gone to war to preserve what we like about Illyriad! We don't want to change anything nor do we wish to destroy VALAR at all. We don't even want to damage them too badly because then Illyriad becomes boring and its no fun just "zerging" or whatever its called for kicks and giggles.

 It's a weighted attack that will end when VALAR just MESSAGE! like christ guys we are not going to come onto forums with a declaration of peace and shout "It's because VALAR are weak hahahah! Losers look at the demands they said yes too!" It's going to be done in private without dickish requests. Then we can open a peaceful dialogue and start acting like friends to each other.

How about you stop just openly slandering us at every turn and trust that we are not some new coalition of power hungry alliances, the fact of the matter is that after this war, there will be no-more "coalition" or "ultra-alliance." We have come together for ONE COMMON GOAL! NOT to now "police" this server and stop people having fun!

So how about you all lay off for a bit because its not doing any good but giving a negative vibe to the whole play of Illyriad for new players.

But alas none of this will sink in because you won't listen and keep posting the same points you bring up in every two or three posts, that we have answered countless of times which you refuse to accept as our point of view. Stop being so single minded for the sake of this wreckage of a forum page.

Now, i take my leave. This is the last time i'm going to talk on this matter because it's not a debate any more. It's a forum of condemnation.

Harry Out.


Edited by (EOM) Harry - 30 Sep 2011 at 15:26
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 15:00
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Originally posted by karpintero karpintero wrote:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

 
I oppose war inflicted by others on those who don't want it.  When I hear Valar say they don't want war and are willing to live and let live, I will be the first to speak for them.  (If The_Dude doesn't beat me to it.)

Your statement about "opposing war inflicted on others who dont want it" is kinda in conflict with the actions of your alliance. That is all.

Still haven't heard a single Valar say they want this war to end.  Are you in Valar?

I agree with LoTS. I am disappointed Rill. They have been complaining and whining about the war. Do you think that matches with behavior of people who want the war they want to be warred upon by 6 alliances? I'm afraid not. I'll repeat, your words do not match the actions of your alliance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 14:54
As far as I can tell, the only MCrow offensive action so far has been a 70k pop player trashing the town of Suwail - a player 1/7th of his size who, as far as I know, is a peaceful sandbox player.

Maybe Suwail has previously been guilty of some vile crimes that MCrow will be able to explain to us all.

Or maybe not.

I'm sure we'll all sleep soundly tonight, knowing that MCrow are here to keep us safe from the aggression of such terrifying menaces to Illyriad as Suwail.
"A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander.
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