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Points: 50 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 21:20
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Originally posted by Uno Uno wrote:

I don't think the mindset of the Murder of Crows players is different than that of Order of Valar players or any other involved in the conflict.
To sum it up: Because we don't like your approach to the game, we declare war. The funniest part however, is that the disliked approach regards wars.

I oppose war inflicted by others on those who don't want it.  When I hear Valar say they don't want war and are willing to live and let live, I will be the first to speak for them.  (If The_Dude doesn't beat me to it.)


War is already forced on Valar. What do you suppose they can do, beg for mercy like a bunch of losers? It has become clear that they do not want this war, but they also have some speck of pride as an alliance and will of course fight to defend themselves against this "crusade" against them.
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Then they came for the pricks,
and I didn't speak out because... oh wait! take cover!
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Points: 821 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 21:22
Originally posted by Qwazar Qwazar wrote:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.



I am (to my knowledge) the only communist in Illyriad mate and Im still here and not doing too shabby. :)

Inquisitive minds want to know; are you really having fun with a game when you are comparing your ingame adversaries to the nazis?
Do you really think you've listened to the critisizm people presented or have you just been stubbornly insisting to disregards any opinion but your own?

Silly was yesterday - hard to believe a game can make you draw such extreme parallels today dude. I genuinely think a breath of fresh air would do you good.

Take care wherever the road leads you.
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Points: 568 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 21:22
Originally posted by Lashka Lashka wrote:

@ Qwazar:

Really? 
Niemoller?

THAT'S not blowing this out of context or anything.

Quoting that speech should be a corollary to Godwin's Law.

It's a game people. Let's leave the Nazi allusions at the door.

Well done Sir! the denizens of Illyriad will be hoisting you on their shoulders and will loudly be declaring your name.

Because...

I simply do not even know what to say to this. /facepalm.
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 21:24
Originally posted by Tordenkaffen Tordenkaffen wrote:

 

I am (to my knowledge) the only communist in Illyriad mate and Im still here and not doing too shabby. :)



I'm an apocalyptic socialist, does that count?
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Points: 101 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 21:25
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

 
I oppose war inflicted by others on those who don't want it.  When I hear Valar say they don't want war and are willing to live and let live, I will be the first to speak for them.  (If The_Dude doesn't beat me to it.)

I thought this thread was about mCrow declaring war to Valar, not the other way around, I must miss something because I don't understand how this translate to you opposing to war inflicted on others. So what is the purpouse of this declaration of war? I read mCrow doesn't want to remove Valar's players from Illy but at the same can't accept their playstyle. I really fail to see how war can be a solution to the problem. Did you think that with Valar at war with half the world, one more declaration of war would make them yeld, bury the hatchet and become the snuggling good guys? The bottom line is that it was half the world to declare war on Valar and not the other way around. Excuse me but I kinda think that acting as if you were the peacemakers is a bit hypocritical.
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Points: 2396 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 21:30
Oh, I did not read this thread as mCrow playing the role of peacemaker.  Not at all.  I see this as mCrow adding to the pressure on VALAR.  Further showing that VALAR is isolated, politically.

I've seen 2 voices speaking the role of peacemaker so far...Lashkar and myself.  But in the end, the true peacemaker must be the leadership of VALAR.  Their destiny is in their own hands.
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They won't back down, they back down now and it shows they were in wrong,  they keep fighting, they have a very slim chance of coming out.  At the very least some Valar members will become Martyrs. 

Good luck Valar.
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Points: 6903 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 21:34
Originally posted by karpintero karpintero wrote:

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Originally posted by Uno Uno wrote:

I don't think the mindset of the Murder of Crows players is different than that of Order of Valar players or any other involved in the conflict.
To sum it up: Because we don't like your approach to the game, we declare war. The funniest part however, is that the disliked approach regards wars.

I oppose war inflicted by others on those who don't want it.  When I hear Valar say they don't want war and are willing to live and let live, I will be the first to speak for them.  (If The_Dude doesn't beat me to it.)


War is already forced on Valar. What do you suppose they can do, beg for mercy like a bunch of losers? It has become clear that they do not want this war, but they also have some speck of pride as an alliance and will of course fight to defend themselves against this "crusade" against them.

I think if Valar want peace with honor, they should ask for peace with honor.  It doesn't have to be done publicly.  Anyone is welcome to contact me, and I will speak for them, and I am only one of a number of people for whom this is the case.  I am probably not the BEST person for this job, but I want to leave the door open.  As I said, I oppose war against people who don't want it, and if the Valar don't want this war, I am happy to speak on their behalf.

If Valar really believes this is all a power play on the part of Harmless? and others, and if they really are willing to play in the sandbox in a "live and let live" manner, then I think they would best serve themselves and the community by attempting to make peace.  If they are right about the "real" intentions of the coalition members, then what would better expose that than an attempt to make peace?

If Harmless? and other coalition members ARE as nefarious as others claim, I have just screwed up their game strategy.

/me sits back and waits for sabs
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Points: 283 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 21:36
Originally posted by Tordenkaffen Tordenkaffen wrote:

Originally posted by Qwazar Qwazar wrote:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.



I am (to my knowledge) the only communist in Illyriad mate and Im still here and not doing too shabby. :)

Inquisitive minds want to know; are you really having fun with a game when you are comparing your ingame adversaries to the nazis?
Do you really think you've listened to the critisizm people presented or have you just been stubbornly insisting to disregards any opinion but your own?

Silly was yesterday - hard to believe a game can make you draw such extreme parallels today dude. I genuinely think a breath of fresh air would do you good.

Take care wherever the road leads you.



I'm not a commie Tord but i am a socialist sympathizer!

And UNO you rush to take sides on who is the "warmonger" but the fact is, no side is clean. Yes we could have handled how we went to war better but frankly we needed to decide if going to war with Valar was right, regardless of the coalition or not. The simple fact is we voted and the yes won out.

There is much more underneath the surface than the forums portray. It is not a witch hunt, nor is VALAR an innocent scapegoat. I would be right in saying that VALAR and mCrow leadership have never had one positive exchange. Nor have they ever agreed on one situation. If you wish to see us unanimously hated then by all means, carry on your campaign! However i have no doubt that you, if in the same position, would have gone to war.

And as we're quoting left right and center i thought i'd give Jesus a go:
"Let the man who is without sin cast the first stone."

[Edited for grammatical purposes]


Edited by (EOM) Harry - 29 Sep 2011 at 21:38
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