TLR Plunder & Pillage Policy

Tamaeon wrote: Generous surrender terms were offered early on, but you refused them then... and continue to refuse them now. So your assertion that the war and even destruction couldn't (can't) be avoided is simply false.

clearly TVM disagrees with your characterisation of the terms or they would have agreed to them. has "generous" some specific meaning here beyond the advertising sense of "you won't see an offer this good again"? surrender terms are a market with one seller and one buyer; assessing the value of a particular opportunity is a black art indeed. in this case, it seems your use of the word is not related to the value of the opportunity at all, but only meant to shift responsibility for what comes after from the actors to the targets.

yes, i have heard the arguments about the relative value of surrender offers, first from H? and now from its opponents. they all run in the form of "if i hurt you badly enough for long enough, surrender will look like good value at any price". the trouble with this argument is that illyriad is a game, and there is a threshold beyond which players will simply quit because, as Sir Bradly noted in gc long before it applied to any of his allies, "losing is not fun". if you prolong losing for long enough, any player will quit. that can be part of the sandbox, but i should think leaders who do not condone the chasing of players from the game will want to consider the interaction in total.

Hey Angrim (and others). 

Er, yes... As everyone seems to enjoy it I wanted to join the fun and tried it too